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2024 Kamchatka Mil Mi-8 crash
[edit]Blurb: In Russia, 22 people die after a Mil Mi-8 (similar aircraft pictured) crashes in Kamchatka. (Post)
News source(s): BBC - Moscow Times - Euromaidan Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Ivebeenhacked (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), Aviationwikiflight (talk · give credit), SignorPignolini (talk · give credit), 72.131.35.93 (talk · give credit) and Air Astana 1388 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: 22 people are dead after a tour helicopter crashed over a volcano in Kamchatka, Russia. The article is largely okay, disregarding the fact that it may need expansion. — Knightoftheswords 15:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable recent accident with fatalities and property loss. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, Oppose on quality. While its notable due to the high number of fatalities, the article is still tagged as a stub and more information is needed if possible. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 20:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Sol Bamba
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Nominated by Haris920 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Former Soccer Player/Coach Haris920 (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, GA so should be good to post. mwwv converse∫edits 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above 27.96.223.192 (talk) 07:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per mwwv. Oltrepier (talk) 10:34, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - article is in a great condition Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I did a run through. The article was promoted to GA in 2018 but the promoting user is less active since then, so some things were outdated. The article definitely slows down on detail suddenly after 2018 but that's a nitpick for GA standards, not ITN standards. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Posted to RD. – robertsky (talk) 14:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Fatman Scoop
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:344E:215E:92:A3B3 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pragnell1957 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American rapper. 240F:7A:6253:1:344E:215E:92:A3B3 (talk) 16:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready article has a lot of CN tags, also cause of death isn't known yet Scu ba (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work per Ad Orientem. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Discography and awards sections need more sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
X blocked in Brazil
[edit]Blurb: X is blocked in Brazil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: X is blocked in Brazil amidst an investigation ruled by Supreme Federal Court.
News source(s): The New York Times AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Unusual block for a democratic country. ArionStar (talk) 10:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I've been watching this one, and this is more about Musk refusing to comply with a judge that is upholding Brazilian law regarding social media and misinformation. Its basically more a situation of his own choosing rather than some new massive draconian measure (like when Turkey did it some years back), and as such, while its in the news, its not the type of story we should be posting because the situation was entirely avoidable (Musk just had to give the court a legal representative to deal with the case, he refused). --Masem (t) 12:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- "… upholding Brazilian law…" LOL! ArionStar (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the original order back in 2020 was due to specific accounts that were ordered blocked due to misinformation including threats to the judiciary. Brazil doesn't have as wide open a free speech policy as the US, so while controversial they were still reasonable under that. Masem (t) 12:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Brazil has reasonable free speech - I don't think comparing it to somewhere as backwards as the United States, where free speech is out of control and protects hate speech, is useful. Nfitz (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the original order back in 2020 was due to specific accounts that were ordered blocked due to misinformation including threats to the judiciary. Brazil doesn't have as wide open a free speech policy as the US, so while controversial they were still reasonable under that. Masem (t) 12:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- "… upholding Brazilian law…" LOL! ArionStar (talk) 12:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is complete nonsense and entirely of Musk's making. This has literally nothing to do with "free speech" and everything to do with Musk's refusal to comply with a basic court order issued by the independent judiciary to appoint a legal representative in Brazil. AusLondonder (talk) 12:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- WP:POV, irrespective of the motives/arguments this is a pretty big decision PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This just another case of Musk throwing a tantrum. Also failure to appoint a legal representative is not censorship nor anything to do with a democratic deficit. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:10, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Musk being Musk. Skyshiftertalk 13:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- This was a decision of Brazil's supreme court, can't really be entirely attributed to "just Elon drama", this is a major ruling PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Given it's a case of "Brazil makes a legal request, Musk ignores the legal request instead of engaging like any reasonable person would and Brazil escalates in response", it really is just Elon drama. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:A599:8FED:E2E0:7A4A (talk) 10:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- This was a decision of Brazil's supreme court, can't really be entirely attributed to "just Elon drama", this is a major ruling PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The discussion above provides a perfect example of editors using their own personal opinions and biases instead of relying on coverage by WP:RS. Whatever we think about Musk as an individual is completely irrelevant, or at least it should be. Even if one accepts that Musk is 100% at fault in this episode, the result is that X is blocked in Brazil, an event that is covered as a top story by pretty much every news outlet in the world and which affects the seventh most populous country in the world. Nsk92 (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- We are not a newspaper and simply don't follow what is published in headlines. ITN is supposed to feature quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to be where we are reporting on news, and that's why simply being a highly published story is not sufficient for being in ITN. Besides this being an issue with Musk being Musk, which has become routine news, we do not have any good article target here that discusses the entire matter (starting with the original court order to block certain accounts). — Masem (t) 15:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral point of view is policy, and the blurb is total clickbait. RAN1 (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Nsk92: when I initially opposed the nomination the target article was Censorship of Twitter at the time of my comment, which was a highly biased target to nominate and my argument was that this issue is not to do with censorship but more so to do with the failure to adhere to a court ruling; this was also the basis of other editors' arguments and reasonings to oppose too. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:18, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose just the Brazilian government throwing a tantrum. Scu ba (talk) 15:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, but a lot of things can be viewed as just "governments throwing a tantrum", doesn't affect notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Agree with @Nsk92, major court ruling with wide implications for a democratic state to ban one of the largest online social media platforms over the speech hosted. All over the news PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Its banned because Musk refused to provide legal representation to the court, not because the state wanted to block X completely. If we're talking about the free speech implications, that should have been the story when the court first ordered social media there to block specific accounts, several months ago. Masem (t) 15:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Not voting either way at the moment, but the comments here about this being simply a dispute with Musk seem to miss the mark. This situation IS largely of Musk's doing, but that doesn't mean the impacts are not relevant to post here. That's similar to saying that a war between two countries wouldn't be ITN material if it had grown out of a private dispute between the leaders of two countries. Whether or not it's "censorship" really shouldn't matter much. This discussion should be about if we believe X being blocked is noteworthy enough to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Weak Oppose purely on article quality. The newly created article is only barely more than a stub.However, and whatever our opinions of the case, it's potential to impact the debate over free speech and the regulatory power of the state is both obvious and highly significant. Support on merits. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)- @Ad Orientem the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @RodRabelo7 Thanks for the ping. Moved to support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:23, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support on merits. Regardless of who did what, or whether the situation was avoidable, Xitter being blocked in one of the world's largest countries is definitely notable. However, the blurb is a bit short, and linking to Censorship in Brazil instead of Brazil is a MOS:EASTEREGG that should ideally be avoided. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support/Wait Didn't something happen in Turkey a few weeks ago where an Instagram ban was instituted but reverted a few days later? I'm wondering if this is going to be a similar situation and will be walked back in the next day or two. I'd err on waiting to post, at least until Monday. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:33, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: a page has been created about the case. Erick Soares3 (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The block occurred due to a lack of response to the request to appoint a representative in the country, and not due to censorship per se. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 17:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @A.WagnerC and...? An ITT doesn't need to be an act of censorship. RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a stage for billionaires to throw tantrums ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 12:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @A.WagnerC and...? An ITT doesn't need to be an act of censorship. RodRabelo7 (talk) 03:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. Article is extremely stubby. Does not even mention A.Wagner's point above that the trigger for the block was X/Twitter's refusal to appoint a legal representative (nor does it mention X/Twitter's reasons for not complying).Also oppose "Brazil" linking to "Censorship in Brazil" - are we really going to parrot Musk's POV here? If we post this (once an up-to-standard, neutral article exists), let's have readers make up their own mind whether it's a censorship issue or not.- EDIT: moving to Weak Support following expansion of the article. Still disagree with linking to "Censorship of Twitter". Khuft (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Khuft the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I mean the government demanding the removal of certain political and religious figures from the site is a pretty clear case of censorship. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- As I mentioned in another discussion, there are different conceptions on what constituted freedom of speech and hate speech. In Continental Europe (France, Germany) platforms are required to act against hate speech, and this is not considered censorship. I'm not really familiar with Brazilian conceptions of freedom of speech, but from what I gather from the article & the news, it seems to follow a similar concept of going against hate speech in the context of the invasion of the Brazilian Congress. Khuft (talk) 13:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per A.WagnerC. This happened because Musk failed to appoint a legal representative of Twitter in Brazil, which, to me, is not something we should post. Also, the article is not ready for the main page. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Help Can anyone help to improve the article? Alternative blurb added. ArionStar (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is way too short and underdeveloped for ITN Hungry403 (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article needs to be improved, it is very interesting for ITN. ArionStar (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article is in better shape now. ArionStar (talk) 01:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Hungry403 the article has been improved since then. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article needs to be improved, it is very interesting for ITN. ArionStar (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support. We should not evaluate the merit of the case as being merely a "tantrum" from Musk (much less from Brazil, shame on whoever said that), nor should we consider it as a case of censorship, which it clearly is not. The fact is that the event received extensive coverage worldwide. The New York Times and the Associated Press even used a breaking news alert to report it. Furthermore, it is a watershed moment, as it involves a democratic nation blocking a social network after it disobeyed legal orders, and Brazil represents a significant portion of Twitter's total user base. RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- How many times has Musk caused a problem with a government? I’m not certain but this definitely isn’t the first time and I dont believe we posted the other ones. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is a blocking affecting one the largest X markets. Period. ArionStar (talk) 14:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- How many times has Musk caused a problem with a government? I’m not certain but this definitely isn’t the first time and I dont believe we posted the other ones. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not something blurbworthy IMO. If we didn't posted the news of the arrest of the founder of two popular social media sites then we should not post news about closure of a social media platform in a single country. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab: which arrest? ArionStar (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar I am talking about this one. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 15:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not a random country. A major democracy and one of the largest Twitter markets. RodRabelo7 (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @ArionStar I am talking about this one. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 15:14, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab: which arrest? ArionStar (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support – Widespread coverage, one of the most popular websites in Brazil blocked by its Supreme Court which is unusual for the country. For the editors saying this is just a "tantrum" for Musk... it's a judicial/political decision made by Brazil in response to Musk, not just Musk shitposting on X. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ready? ArionStar (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- There's not even remotely a consensus to post, so no. The Kip (contribs) 20:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This may well happen in a number of other countries if Musk carries on taking X down the rabbit hole of supporting some seriously unpleasant stuff. And we can't really post every time Musk has a tantrum, or the whole of ITN would be full of it. Black Kite (talk) 18:06, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- We can't predict that this
may well happen in a number of other countries if Musk carries on
and this sort of prediction shouldn't affect the notability of Brazil's current ban. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)- No, we can't, but what happens if we post this and then Musk does something so egregious that other countries follow suit? We'd have a problem. But regardless, I don't think this rises to the level of ITN anyway. Black Kite (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- The blocking is still ongoing and I imagine there will be millions in money losses in the coming days. ArionStar (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that X is losing a significant amount of money immediately here; I suppose some losses are possible if Brazilian advertisers withdraw from the platform (or possibly companies who do a large amount of their business in Brazil). Nevertheless, this is what happens when the owner of a company believes it is above the law. Black Kite (talk) 20:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- The blocking is still ongoing and I imagine there will be millions in money losses in the coming days. ArionStar (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, we can't, but what happens if we post this and then Musk does something so egregious that other countries follow suit? We'd have a problem. But regardless, I don't think this rises to the level of ITN anyway. Black Kite (talk) 18:52, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- We can't predict that this
- Oppose per Masem. Not very interesting in my opinion. C F A 💬 20:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Per most of the above. It's not really worth mentioning in my opinion. This has nothing to do with censorship as Brazil blocked the site in response to Musk failing to obey a simple court order. If the arrest of Pavel Durov or another, Montana blocking TikTok wasn't posted on the ITN, a social media site that just got blocked in a single country shouldn't be posted either. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 20:51, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - big story with huge ramifications. I'm not sure why it's being compared to a sub-national jurisdiction like Montana, which has no ability to enforce a ban. Or authoritarian countries like Turkey. Brazil is one of the largest democracies in the world. And this has significant coverage. Think about it - if this ban was by the US Supreme Court, would those that oppose, still oppose it? Nfitz (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Jean-Charles Tacchella
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): X - Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by BomBom (talk · give credit)
- Updated by KindSpinel (talk · give credit), Strattonsmith (talk · give credit), 2a02:587:cc0c:c900:c5c:1a85:6803:ceae (talk · give credit), 85.75.231.110 (talk · give credit) and Spectritus (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French screenwriter and film director. — Knightoftheswords 19:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: several citation needed tags; filmography table is unsourced.Jaguarnik (talk) 01:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:42, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Typhoon Shanshan hits Japan
[edit]Blurb: Typhoon Shanshan, the strongest of 2024, hits Japan, killing more than six people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Typhoon Shanshan leaves at least six people dead in Japan.
News source(s): CNA, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
The typhoon is the strongest of 2024, over a million told to evacuate; electricity power gone in many places in Japan. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 06:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: One of the strongest in 2024 so far. I feel "the strongest (typhoon) of 2024" should be dropped as none of the sources mention this directly and comes across as puffery. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 08:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt: But the strongest storm may change; remember, Cyclone Djoungou was stronger than Typhoon Shanshan. HurricaneEdgar 08:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Re: "strongest" WP:ITNBLURB reads:
Blurbs should generally avoid comparison to any previous event, such as "Largest in the region since [year]". Previous events is generally out of scope of the page, and confers a publication bias favoring regions with a low frequency of similar events.
—Bagumba (talk) 11:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC) - Support: Alternative blurb; 2024 still has a few months left O.o -- death toll is likely to rise as well. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt and the article is of sufficient quality. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose If this only ends up with six deaths, its not a very significant storm. Obviously if the death toll rises greatly, that would be different, but we shouldn't aim to post every weather disaster. --Masem (t) 14:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait like many weather-related articles nominated here, it remains to see what the overall impact is, and so is currently too soon to post this in my view. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, the impacts could be way more noteworthy in the coming days. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support it's a Typhoon, that's notable enough for inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- A Typhoon is equivalent to a Class 1 hurricane. Not even Class 5 hurricanes are automatically notable. This region alone averages 16 typhoons a year. We 100% are not posting every typhoon. Nfitz (talk) 00:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Six deaths for a natural deaths seems a bit low for it to be blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose pretty small potatoes at this point. A large storm, certainly. No prejudice against renominating if it grows in the future, or if the typhoon strengthens. Nfitz (talk) 01:02, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the storm dissipates. As of now, it's still active and is still affecting central Honshu, where it could cause more damage. Vida0007 (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Tūheitia Paki
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1][2][3]
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- Nominated by Dhantegge (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Dhantegge (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is well-sourced and well-written. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not enough information about his death- spinning it off into a death article and leaving only one sentence in the main article is not enough information for ITNQUALITY. Also "Tekau-ma-Rua and Te Kahui Wairua" is improperly sourced- some of the text is sourced to a dead link from 2019, but the 2 tables say "as of 2020 and 2021", and so are outdated and unsourced. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I wanted to query whether he was transformative enough to warrant a blurb or not. The Death of Tūheitia Paki article seems to be well under way and I would like to get the ball rolling as to whether it would be optimal or not. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I’ve thought about that as well. Transformative within New Zealand? Certainly. Outside of the country? I have not seen much evidence. He had interacted with world leaders and indigenous leaders, but I don’t think there is enough of it. Schwede66 00:16, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Tekau-ma-Rua and Te Kahui Wairua section have four cn tags otherwise article is good to go. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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(RD posted) RD/blurb: Johnny Gaudreau
[edit]Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American hockey player Johnny Gaudreau (pictured) dies at the age of 31 (Post)
News source(s): Columbus Dispatch
Credits:
- Nominated by Roncanada (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
I'm proposing a blurb considering the young age and his huge popularity worldwide. Would prefer a picture with the CBJ tho --Roncanada (talk) 12:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- One could make the argument that this is a "death is the story" blurb... only 31, killed along with his brother while riding bikes a day before his sister's wedding. Certainly newsworthy. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I spent a long time last night hoping this wouldn’t have to be posted. Life is goddamn cruel, man. Support RD, and honestly support blurb per Pawnkingthree - he was a superstar that died in his prime in an utterly tragic accident. The Kip (contribs) 12:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose currently the article does not meet WP:ITNQUALITY are there is too much unsourced content. If that is fixed, then Support RD only- does not meet threshold for a death blurb in my opinion, as
In general, if a person's death is only notable for what they did while alive, it belongs as an RD link.
Which looks to be the case here, as the death event is not notable. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC) - Oppose blurb Tragic for sure, but he was far from being a 'superstar' such as Connor McDavid, Alexander Ovechkin, Sydney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin among other active players. I'd like to see more details on the death as the main story to consider it for posting, but it seems like there's very little information on the accident so it cannot be considered independently notable.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb when article citing issues are resolved and more details about the death are covered (sources exist). Note: COI here, I am a cyclist, and I have lost friends due to drunk drivers. This is a tragedy, and acknowledgement of this incident can only help raise awareness of the dangers of cyclists having to share the road with mass and momentum operated by impaired drivers. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kcmastrpc: We cannot and should not post anything to raise awareness of any cause, however noble the sentiment and cause may be. This would be a slippery slope and lead to all sorts of issues on other topics and we are not here to right great wrongs. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should show nothing more than the facts; anti-drink driving campaigns and cycling safety awareness should be left to others, not here. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Nothing in the article gives the impression as a great figure within hockey, and while a tragic death, not comparable to the type of blurbs where the death is the story.
Oppose RD on quality.--Masem (t) 13:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- Support RD, quality has been fixed (there's one unsourced sentence in International Play but that should be trivial to fix since its just about being part of a notable team event. --Masem (t) 16:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD quality issues have been fixed. Blurb is a bit much considering he was not the biggest active figure in hockey at any time during his career. Kline • talk • contribs 14:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, but with the quality issues being fixed, definitely support RD. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 14:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb per Masem, but support RD as sourcing issues appear to have been fixed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD I don't think there will be consensus for a blurb, but sourcing issues look to be resolved. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb His manner of death is getting a lot of coverage and he was quite notable in his field. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD. This is a well-liked player cut down in his prime by another person's bad choices. This serves as a reminder about the dangers, and frankly stupidity, of drunk driving. Theletterm1973 (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD Quality issues fixed. Weak support blurb Due to manner of death. I remember seeing a lot of users saying that a death blurb makes sense when the subject died suddenly/non-conventional cause of death AND/OR were at the top of their field. Don't think this particular individual was at the top of their field, but his death was sudden and his death is gaining substantial coverage. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fine for RD, oppose blurb. Not in any sense a blurbable figure, regardless of the extremely tragic manner of death. Black Kite (talk) 20:19, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD for sure, the article looks decent. Oppose blurb. As much sad as it is, he is not notable enough for a blurb. win8x (talking | spying) 20:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Just a friendly reminder for those who are opposing a blurb because he is not "notable enough." The criteria for blurbing a death have nothing to do with the subjects' notability, other than they are a prominent (not major) figure, and the circumstances around their death are gaining widespread international coverage; please see WP:ITNRDBLURB, specifically Death as the main story.
If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb.
I would argue that Johnny Gaudreau is a prominent figure, and the circumstances surrounding his tragic demise rise to blurb worthiness. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:32, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- There is nothing in the article to demonstrate he was a prominent figure. Perhaps one of the top players, but when are talking major figures in a field, we are usually talking about those that can be shown to be the elite of the field (eg for hockey, that would be someone like Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Orr.) Masem (t) 20:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned major figures in a field, which is the criteria mentioned for WP:ITNRDBLURB on the third bullet. I'm suggesting that he is a prominent figure in his field whose death is receiving international coverage. What bar would need to be met to be considered "prominent," is it "major" or something else? Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ideally a dedicated section using reliable sources that clearly explain how he was a major figure in the field. Otherwise, we're hand-waving how significant he was based on editorial opinion, which we should be avoiding. Masem (t) 20:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, generally, we shouldn't be editorializing, but the criteria for ITN death blurb given the circumstances is "prominence", not being a "major" figure. (Am I missing something?). Here's one news source,
Johnny Gaudreau was a prominent figure in the NHL.
[link] Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC) Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, generally, we shouldn't be editorializing, but the criteria for ITN death blurb given the circumstances is "prominence", not being a "major" figure. (Am I missing something?). Here's one news source,
- Ideally a dedicated section using reliable sources that clearly explain how he was a major figure in the field. Otherwise, we're hand-waving how significant he was based on editorial opinion, which we should be avoiding. Masem (t) 20:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- You mentioned major figures in a field, which is the criteria mentioned for WP:ITNRDBLURB on the third bullet. I'm suggesting that he is a prominent figure in his field whose death is receiving international coverage. What bar would need to be met to be considered "prominent," is it "major" or something else? Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing in the article to demonstrate he was a prominent figure. Perhaps one of the top players, but when are talking major figures in a field, we are usually talking about those that can be shown to be the elite of the field (eg for hockey, that would be someone like Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Orr.) Masem (t) 20:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opposing based off of one criterion is completely fine. In particular, the clause for "death as the main story" says: "If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." People can certinaly support based off of just this criterion, but there is no requirement that opposers need to be in opposition based off of this criterion. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Right, but it appears that most of the opposes are citing his (lack of) notability, not the circumstances regarding his death or the reaction. I realize this is ITN and folks can oppose for any reason they chose, I was just trying to reason with editors and perhaps change their minds. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:48, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opposing based off of one criterion is completely fine. In particular, the clause for "death as the main story" says: "If the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." People can certinaly support based off of just this criterion, but there is no requirement that opposers need to be in opposition based off of this criterion. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb He was a big enough star that the way he died is a blurbable story. If there isn’t enough support for a blurb, a photo RD could be a good idea. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb This just does not seem important enough to make a blurb in my opinion. --TorsodogTalk 23:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb man dies in traffic accident This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb I don't think he is notable enough to blurb, despite the tragic death. I will definitely support RD for sure, though. IncompA 00:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD It's very sad that he died at such a young age, but death blurbs should be reserved for deaths with extraordinary circumstances and/or consequences, such as Alexei Navalny or Ebrahim Raisi. Unfortunately, being hit by a car is very common. Will support the RD though, it looks fine. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb Article is in good shape. Tragic death, and I went back and forth for a bit on blurb-worthiness. Sadly, though, drunk-driving fatalities are common, and while Gaudreau was a perennial All-Star in the world's premier ice hockey league, his accomplishments don't rise to the level of a Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Orr. I'd be more inclined toward a blurb if, for example, it had been an on-ice fatality--more along the lines of a Damar Hamlin-type incident--as that would demonstrate a more unusual manner of death. RIP. --Pats2017 (talk) 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- RD posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Pretty much per Orbitalbuzzsaw. This was not a hockey superstar. It's getting a lot of attention based on the human-interest side of the story and its obviously tragic circumstances. But this is just not the sort of thing we post at ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb however tragic circumstances I cannot see how this would be any different (apart from the fact that the cause isn't medical in this case) from other currently nominated tragic deaths such as Juan Izquierdo or Fatman Scoop. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb - athlete dies in car crash is pretty mundane. Certainly not even a nationally-known athlete, let alone internationally. Nfitz (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb While he was one of the best players within hockey, he doesn't have nearly the same level of significance or fame as other people posted onto ITN who have died. Still an extremely tragic death, RIP. Hungry403 (talk) 23:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Abu Shujaa
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Palestinian militant killed in the West Bank. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose let's start off with adding an infobox and some structure with sub-headings before even tackling any further quality issues. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a okay shape now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment One paragraph is still not referenced. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
August 28
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(Posted) RD: Steve Silberman
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Relix
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Thriley (talk) 21:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape and I think is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:23, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article in fine shape. Skynxnex (talk) 03:44, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Good to go. I also replaced the IMDb reference with a more reliable one, and moved this entry to August 28 (his date of death). Vida0007 (talk) 13:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Posted to RD. LGTM. – robertsky (talk) 14:28, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Charlotte Kretschmann
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by MrJaydenfire (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
MrJaydenfire (talk) 21:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support meets bare minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 10:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is sufficiently well-sourced for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:19, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted My goodness, born quite a few years before WWI started! Schwede66 01:42, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Summer Paralympics
[edit]Blurb: The Summer Paralympics open in Paris, France. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
- Fix conjugation. No comment on nomination. Nfitz (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support and also to move to ongoing for the chronology. less people do it, but I will update it.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose While the opening of the summer olympics has its own standalone page, the opening ceremony for the paralympics only has a short paragraph. I am not opposed to posting in principle, but if we are going to post the opening ceremony, there simply needs to be more written about it. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don't think we need a whole article just for the opening, the blurb as it exists is sufficient. Scu ba (talk) 03:32, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ongoing A major world sporting event and we also put the Olympics in ongoing (I think), so we should be consistent. I am open to blurbing the opening ceremony as well. -TenorTwelve (talk) 04:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment WP:ITNR#Multi-sport events lists the opening of the Paralympics, while it has the opening ceremony of the Olympics. The last opening was posted with only 2020 Summer Paralympics bolded, not the opening.[4].—Bagumba (talk) 05:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support the burb and ongoing article is in a good shape and I support the ongoing entry as well. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 10:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted For now, I've posted this to ITN. It would make sense for the item to eventually be moved to ongoing. Schwede66 10:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Victoria Siddall
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Blurb: Victoria Siddall becomes the first woman appointed as director of the National Portrait Gallery, London. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Medievalfran (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Per List of most-visited art museums this is the 6th most visited art museum in London alone (60th in the world), with a fifth of the visits of the British Museum, and an eighth of the world's most visited, the Louvre. I'm not opposed to posting female firsts but this doesn't seem to be a pinnacle. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unconvinced about judging a gallery with a specific collection on visitor numbers, but I can see the argument. Anyway, if considered more appropriate, I have popped in a DYK nomination instead. (Apologies if not the done thing to do this until discussion here resolved!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Victoria_Siddall Medievalfran (talk) 15:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I think DYK would be more appropriate for this. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Congrats to her on a great accomplishment. As for the nomination, feels like more of a DYK candidate. --Pats2017 (talk) 02:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Definitely more in DYK's purview than ITN's. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
August 27
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(Posted) RD: Juan Izquierdo
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Tragic death, Uruguayan footballer, at the time at Nacional. Article can easily be expanded given the news attention. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:00, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support could do with some expansion mainly a photo but otherwise looks alright and may he rest in peace. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 08:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- All fixed now, Thanks Abcmaxx. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 11:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is a deletion discussion on the image. The argument presented by the nominator is how likely there is a free photo existing of somebody who played 115 top-flight games in the present era. As per cases I remember like César Luis Menotti, the image should be hidden until the discussion concludes. Nothing says an item needs a photo in order to be posted. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I didn’t say it needed one it would just help the article and I didn’t add the picture so I cannot comment on its eligibility. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 22:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is a deletion discussion on the image. The argument presented by the nominator is how likely there is a free photo existing of somebody who played 115 top-flight games in the present era. As per cases I remember like César Luis Menotti, the image should be hidden until the discussion concludes. Nothing says an item needs a photo in order to be posted. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- All fixed now, Thanks Abcmaxx. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 11:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support meets WP:ITNQUALITY as it has details on most important events. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Update I have expanded and updated the article slightly. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support an absolute tragedy, article is in a good enough shape to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 13:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 17:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 01:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
[Attention needed] RD: Leonard Riggio
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg, ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:6C23:2F26:C0C6:C9D6 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MantleM (talk · give credit) and Chaiten1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former chairman of Barnes & Noble. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C23:2F26:C0C6:C9D6 (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Several sections need citations. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 18:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 13:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- update citations added throughout. Chaiten1 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good now. I've added missing references to the note. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Polaris Dawn
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Blurb: SpaceX's Polaris Dawn mission, set to launch at 07:38 AM UTC on August 27, is delayed for 24 hours after a helium leak. (Post)
Alternative blurb: SpaceX's Polaris Dawn mission, set to launch early in the morning on August 27, is delayed for 24 hours after a ground-side helium leak.
News source(s): https://www.space.com/spacex-polaris-dawn-launch-delay-helium-leak, https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/spacex-polaris-launch-postponed-helium-leak-detected-rcna167168, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/27/spacex-polaris-dawn-launch-date-time/74962772007/
Credits:
- Nominated by Sir MemeGod (talk · give credit)
- Created by Harshdeep2021 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Helium leaks are extremely common, as it's one of the smallest elements in existence. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose space missions getting delayed is Run-of-the-mill news, not something that is blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not yet A delay of 24 hours is nothing – the Boeing Starliner has been indeffed and the crew is not expected back until next year. The high spot of this mission seems to be a spacewalk so we should wait until that looks more certain. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Something didn't happen yet is not generally the sort of thing we post at ITN. Especially when it's ITNR and likely will happen in the very near future. Suggest speedy close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw (as nominator) per others, I will renominate once the space walk is carried out. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 19:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Nabil Elaraby
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Egypt Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by 84.160.115.66 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Zweifel (talk · give credit), Fjmustak (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Secretary General of the Arab League. Needs a tid bit of sourcing work — Knightoftheswords 03:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Eight cn tags, with some sections such as awards and UN subsections entirely unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags and Publication needs a source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support sources updated throughout the article; clearly a notable individual and article quality looks fine.Chaiten1 (talk) 21:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Chaiten1, we already know that this individual is notable as otherwise, he would not have an article. All that matters here is whether an article meets quality requirements. Schwede66 01:34, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
August 26
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RD: Danelle Barrett
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://usnhistory.navylive.dodlive.mil/Recent/Article-View/Article/3887359/in-memoriam-rear-admiral-danelle-m-barrett-usn-ret/ https://www.wgrz.com/article/life/wny-native-retired-rear-admiral-danelle-barrett-remembered/71-a0c5084d-8288-4415-8792-62e8b998d2f2
Credits:
- Updated by Tim1965 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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22:17, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sid Eudy
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT, USA Today, WWE
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- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheBlueSquareTWVM (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American professional wrestler and former WWE/WCW world champion better known as Sid Justice, Sid Vicious, or Sycho Sid. Article needs a lot of work. The Kip (contribs) 20:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Let It Be Known to those who know as "The Man Who Rules The World", but this article doesn't mention that and most of what it does mention hasn't been cited for years, isn't cited now and won't be cited by the time this goes stale. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:14, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is no way near posting. Vast majority of the wresting career section is unverified. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:10, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Picture ITN has been stuck on the same picture of a cyclist for over a week now and that's not a good look. This guy was six times world champion and we have a good picture so let's use it. As for citations, the article has 80 and counting. The regular reader won't think that's too few as there are only two {{cn}} which seem insignificant. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:59, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would say Sven-Göran Eriksson is a much better photo candidate given his achievements and impact on his field or even Juan Izquierdo given the manner of his death than Sid Eudy. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- We could have them all if we changed ITN's picture every day, like every other main page section does without fail. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would say Sven-Göran Eriksson is a much better photo candidate given his achievements and impact on his field or even Juan Izquierdo given the manner of his death than Sid Eudy. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- 80 refs is definitely much improved than when this RD was nominated, but there are still some sections that have few to no citations. Natg 19 (talk) 07:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good for RD now, support. Natg 19 (talk) 23:34, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Justice will be served Sid's article now has 98 citations and zero {{cn}} thanks to the hard work of TheBlueSquareTWVM who should please take a bow. The cyclist's picture has been up for 10 days now, so it's time to give Sid a piece of the action. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 01:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- It’s cited now. The Kip (contribs) 04:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
OpposeSid_Eudy#Other_media sourcing needs improving. Seems WP:CIRCULAR to source his being on Big Brother 14 to a citation that just wikilinks to Big Brother 14 (American season).—Bagumba (talk) 17:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)- @Bagumba Cleaned it up, had to dig for some sources but think it's reliable enough. The Kip (contribs) 06:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Striking my oppose.—Bagumba (talk) 07:53, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Bagumba Cleaned it up, had to dig for some sources but think it's reliable enough. The Kip (contribs) 06:49, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Posted to RD. LGTM. – robertsky (talk) 14:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sven-Göran Eriksson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Former England national football team manager The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support good article, I didn’t spot any CN tags or unsourced sections so I think it’s good to go. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 11:37, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. There were a few citations needed, but I think I've most sorted those out and looks good otherwise. — Amakuru (talk) 11:53, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I see one unsourced paragraph, on his appointment as Notts County manager. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:51, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I added a reference there but still needs more. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There's a lot of unsourced claims, especially relating to money and salary, which really have to be sourced. I added cn tags. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Abcmaxx: Those have been sorted. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support good article, notable person. I don't see any major issues. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article has quite a few cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 16:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab: Those have been sorted now. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Earlier problems pointed out have been fixed, article looks in good shape, RIP. Josey Wales Parley 17:06, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support—Based on a cursory review of the article, it seems to be sufficiently referenced and comprehensive. Kurtis (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 21:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Alexander Goehr
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Aza24 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
English composer, one of the giants in music history, with a long article that was in bad shape (missing references, copyvio, missing detail, original research). It's still not perfect, but time is running. Collaboration to improve further welcome, details are on the talk page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Thank you for spending so much time. Article should be acceptable, no copyright violation according to Earwig's Copyvio Detector. Grimes2 (talk) 11:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Posted to RD. LGTM. – robertsky (talk) 14:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Don Wert
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit) and Umutdyb (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 21:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article appears alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:19, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 20:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The 1968 World Series details has a Cn tag, which should be sourceable.—Bagumba (talk) 06:20, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Resolved, looks ready.—Bagumba (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 21:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Salim Al-Huss
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Served 4 terms as Prime Minister of Lebanon. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Not Ready. Several cn tags are in place.Changing to Support as the issues have been fixed. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)- @Midori No Sora and @PrinceofPunjab: possible reconsideration? I expanded the article and fixed the citation tags. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose some cn tags and unscoured Bibliography.ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 06:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in fact ready now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:20, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Fixed the issues regarding references and the article has been expanded to reflect his career better. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I just looked at the article and all the cn tags and other problems seem to have been fixed. Tradediatalk 21:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Issues have been fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I see no issues with the article at hand; marked as ready and should be on the Main Page once an admin gets to it. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hello,
- Where's the discussion on Maryvonne Le Dizès ?
- It's quite amusing that she has an RD when Alain Delon didn't have one. She's not a household name even in France and the Wikipedia article doesn't even give her date of death
- Curious standards Varoon2542 (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Le Dizes's RD nom is in the archives. No RS gives an exact date, only that her passing was announced in August so that's the best we can give. Delon's article failed to be improved to meet the quality requirements for being ITN/RD or the Main Page. Masem (t) 11:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- The archives for that posting is here: Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/August_2024#(Posted)_RD:_Maryvonne_Le_Dizès. Any recently deceased person can get posted in RD, provided that they meet quality requirements, so "being a household name" is not necessary for RD. Unfortunately, as Masem said, Delon did not meet quality requirements, as there were still uncited statements in the article, and other areas that needed to be cleaned up. Natg 19 (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Barsalogho massacre
[edit]Blurb: Dozens of people are killed in an Islamic militant attack in Barsalogho Department, Burkina Faso. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by MrJaydenfire (talk · give credit)
- Not ready while death toll is quite significant, article needs expansion and a blurb needs to be suggest. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 06:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support some expansion would be nice but what is there is sufficient and cited. Notoriously hard to find reliable information from Burkina Faso, so that should be taken into account. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, article is in a sufficient state and the event is definitely notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, and the article appears to be just long enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:59, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support but I'd be wary of using 'at least 200' for the blurb. Al Jazeera says 'up to' and Radio France uses 'around'. No other media mentions the figure 200. – Ammarpad (talk) 13:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose According to the List of ongoing armed conflicts, this conflict has been ongoing since 2002 and there have been about 10,000 fatalities so far this year and about 70,000 in total. This particular skirmish seems to have been a firefight over some trenches and characterising it as a "massacre" seems inaccurate as there were casualties on both sides. So, this is not an isolated incident but a small part of an ongoing conflict. The details seem unreliable and POV from one side. Perhaps the war should be added to Ongoing but it's not adequate for a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree, should be added to ongoing. Sadsolarpanel (talk) 22:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- • Comment The war should definitely be on ongoing but I think we should still add this event to recent events. Rynoip (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - According to an (unsourced) statement in the JNIM article infobox, this terrorist group has links to the Taliban Afghani government. That seems like a notable piece of info that should be expanded PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Andrew. Had this been an isolated incident, I would've supported it. I also agree with that the war should be added to ongoing conflicts. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 15:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Given notability and death toll. Andrew does bring up an important point about the larger conflict and significant total number of fatalities but I don't see this covered signficantly enough to be updated frequently like the other conflicts we have listed under 'ongoing' in ITN Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The more I read about this the more I am convinced there will be very little reliable coverage from the region on a frequent enough basis to have meaningful updates under 'ongoing'. Based on the updates to the Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso page, it's unlikely to meet the criteria for WP:ONGOING On the other hand, there is an argument to be made that it could bring much needed attention to a lesser known but equally devastating conflict. Whether thats under the purview of WP:ITNPURPOSE is subjective and up for interpretation. Schwinnspeed (talk) 10:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, but oppose ongoing per Schwinnspeed above. It is distinguishable from the other conflicts we currently have listed. FlipandFlopped ツ 05:12, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
- comment terrorist is a loaded term. just say militant.Sportsnut24 (talk) 20:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- NPOV Agree. The guideline WP:TERRORIST says
Curently the WP page doesn't have "terrorist" or the like in it. —Bagumba (talk) 04:46, 29 August 2024 (UTC)... best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject ...
- NPOV Agree. The guideline WP:TERRORIST says
- Support - Referenced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Bit of a slim article, but there is consensus here that it can be posted. The number of people killed should be discussed in more detail, or more sources cited, as our blurb says "dozens", the article infobox says "200+", and the prose says "at least 400 or 500 people". Some more alignment would be good. I've changed the blurb and replaced "terrorist" with "militant" as per the late comments. Schwede66 23:29, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: It might be good for the blurb to say that the attack was carried out Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal-Muslimin. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's always good to comment on blurbs and propose additional ones before something gets posted, Blaylockjam10. It should get support from other editors before we make those amendments / changes. Schwede66 00:17, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: It might be good for the blurb to say that the attack was carried out Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal-Muslimin. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:40, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support The attack’s important enough for a blurb & the article’s good enough to post. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joe D'Alessandris
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E977:822B:E475:C770 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Coingeek (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Former coach for the Baltimore Ravens. 240F:7A:6253:1:E977:822B:E475:C770 (talk) 22:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Article needs expansion as it is to short at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 01:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article is basically a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 06:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Basically no career information. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support @Admins willing to post ITN: The article’s been expanded & has enough details & references now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Arrest of Pavel Durov
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, Pavel Durov was arrested for complicity in several illegal charges (Post)
Alternative blurb: Pavel Durov, founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, is arrested for complicity in several illegal charges.
Alternative blurb II: Pavel Durov, founder of the messenger app Telegram and the social network VK, is arrested on charges of complicity in several crimes.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose that we don't post simple arrests, we use for the conviction. Further oppose that there's no reason for this to be a separate article from Durov's until there's actually a full trial and conviction to discuss. --Masem (t) 17:49, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support major arrest of a major figure. Like if Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg got arrested. Should be ITN Scu ba (talk) 17:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem, posting it might lead to BLP issues as none of the charges have been upheld in a court of law yet. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is rather mysterious but seems (geo)political rather than being an ordinary crime -- comparable with the persecution of people like Julian Assange. It seems to be making making headlines in all the major international media and so is quite newsworthy. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is certainly in the news to be notable. That sinking in sicily last week was too. very suspicious.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - We don't generally post arrests, and he's neither such a major public figure, nor accused of so huge a crime, as to provide a good reason to vary that. With all due respect to Scu Ba above, Durov really isn't in Musk or Zuckerberg's ballpark. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It may be of surprise that the MAU for Telegram is significantly more than X. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is not 'of surprise'. I already knew this, and I am a Telegram user myself. But Zuckerberg and Musk are massively influential multi-billionaires with other businesses to their names. If Zuckerberg had been arrested, no-one would be saying he was 'similar to Musk or Durov'. Durov wouldn't be getting mentioned at all. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Durov was once referred to as the “Mark Zuckerburg” of Russia due to his role in VK. I digress though, he’s one of the worlds most influential businessmen, however, he maintains a low profile.
- He’s essentially accused of not suppressing “misinformation” at the behest of the EU. His arrest should scare the hell out of anyone who cares about free speech. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is not the place to right great wrongs. I'm not saying that this isn't an interesting or concerning development; I'm saying that using sensationalism and peacock terms to describe it is counterproductive in making the argument that it should be on ITN. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is not 'of surprise'. I already knew this, and I am a Telegram user myself. But Zuckerberg and Musk are massively influential multi-billionaires with other businesses to their names. If Zuckerberg had been arrested, no-one would be saying he was 'similar to Musk or Durov'. Durov wouldn't be getting mentioned at all. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- It may be of surprise that the MAU for Telegram is significantly more than X. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - perhaps if this is geopolitical, but I don't see a reason for France to be doing that, or even much speculation. No prejudice if the reason he was arrested is more significant than it appears to be.
- Support We don’t post allegations per WP:BLP and wait for the conviction, but I don’t see what prevents us from posting an arrest of a major figure if it receives media attention and is well-documented in a separate article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be a separate article for the arrest because that itself can be taken as a BLP violation. Nothing dramatic happened with the arrest (eg not a massive manhunt to secure him), and when you take away the reaction section on that article, it all can be covered on the bio page. Not every single event needs its own page. Masem (t) 23:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly suspect AfD would be a speedy keep, but this really isn’t the place to make such an argument. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- We can find out, because I have nominated it for deletion/merger. Please note that this is separate from the question of whether the arrest should be at ITN or not - there's a lot of nonsense out there about things which are nominated for ITN needing separate articles (eg deaths, arrests, etc) which isn't true. If the arrest article is deleted, that shouldn't in itself be an obstacle to the story being posted. (And it's my understanding that the article being at AfD suspends this discussion, so it might be best if the ITN nomination targeted the main Pavel Durov article for now.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, I was attempting to update the links because I don’t believe this discussion should be procedurally closed while the main article covering the arrest is being discussed at AfD. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I want to be clear that I think the story of Durov's arrest is important and interesting, just that it's not necessarily material for a separate article or an ITN posting. It's definitely a significant development. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is notable even if there's no separate article. Given the amount of content in that article, this would be an extensive update of the event in the article about him, which speaks to notability of the event.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I want to be clear that I think the story of Durov's arrest is important and interesting, just that it's not necessarily material for a separate article or an ITN posting. It's definitely a significant development. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yea, I was attempting to update the links because I don’t believe this discussion should be procedurally closed while the main article covering the arrest is being discussed at AfD. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- We can find out, because I have nominated it for deletion/merger. Please note that this is separate from the question of whether the arrest should be at ITN or not - there's a lot of nonsense out there about things which are nominated for ITN needing separate articles (eg deaths, arrests, etc) which isn't true. If the arrest article is deleted, that shouldn't in itself be an obstacle to the story being posted. (And it's my understanding that the article being at AfD suspends this discussion, so it might be best if the ITN nomination targeted the main Pavel Durov article for now.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:40, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly suspect AfD would be a speedy keep, but this really isn’t the place to make such an argument. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:23, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be a separate article for the arrest because that itself can be taken as a BLP violation. Nothing dramatic happened with the arrest (eg not a massive manhunt to secure him), and when you take away the reaction section on that article, it all can be covered on the bio page. Not every single event needs its own page. Masem (t) 23:17, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support The arrest, which is very much ITN, of the owner of a social media/messaging app that has nearly a billion users on concerns of “moderation” and a lack of “cooperation” on criminal cases is chilling at best, fascism at worst. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, it is not fascism for CEOs to be able to face legal consequences for their corporations' actions. Hyping this story up does nothing to help us judge its actual importance. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- The French tradition is dirigisme. This case reminds me of the Pierre-sur-Haute military radio station in which Rémi Mathis was forced to "cooperate" by threat of arrest. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:28, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support arrest is making headlines worldwide and IMO I think the arrest of a founder of two quite popular social media platforms qualifies to be blurbworthy. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 06:43, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability and article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems good and per PrinceofPunjab. Arrest is clearly notable and making global headlines. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, lean oppose He hasn't been charged with anything yet. If he does get charged (and remains in arrest) in the coming days, let's revisit. I get a feeling this news has more prominence here because most users are attuned to news related to the digital realm, but this isn't prominently featured on major French newspapers. Just another CEO who decided to flaunt regulations, it seems. Would we publish the arrest of a CEO of a company in another industry? And no, it's not a Julian Assange/Freedom of Speech issue. It's a matter of deciding to operate in France while (allegedly) flaunting French laws. Khuft (talk) 09:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose posting the arrest (I am mostly opposed to posting arrests in general). Posting the charges is another question, though in this case, I think it makes more sense to wait for the trial, and see if he gets convicted. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't really see this story in the (mainstream) news at all and this sections supposed to be a representation of topics currently in the worldwide news, is it not?
- Also on a separate topic, has a story about (alleged) criminals getting arrested ever been posted here? Kasperquickly (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- There have been several cases. Examples include: Arrest of Pervez Musharraf, ICC arrest warrant for Putin and Corruption in EU parliament. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Putin was a bit of an IAR exception based on his being a head of state of one of the world's great powers being charged with war crimes. This is a run of the mill criminal case in a developed country with a solid reputation for the rule of law. The other examples were dicey IMO. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Putin was not the first such case – see ICC arrest warrant for Gaddafi while Omar al-Bashir was posted at ITN in 2008, 2009 and 2010 but is still awaiting trial by the ICC. See the Mills of God... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:27, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Putin was a bit of an IAR exception based on his being a head of state of one of the world's great powers being charged with war crimes. This is a run of the mill criminal case in a developed country with a solid reputation for the rule of law. The other examples were dicey IMO. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- There have been several cases. Examples include: Arrest of Pervez Musharraf, ICC arrest warrant for Putin and Corruption in EU parliament. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Lot of sensationalism here. Durov isn't some massive household name, and even if he was, his arrest is only a blip. I could see an actual conviction being notable here, but otherwise, this isn't that big of news. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Masem. I feel arrest blurbs in general contributes to a trial by media. I also agree with GenevieveDEon and DarkSide830 regarding notability; Your average human is far more likely to have heard of a major world leader, Facebook/Twitter or Zuckerberg/Musk than Telegram/VK and Durov. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 16:30, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above, we don't post simple arrests. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose We do not post arrests. Also linking an unproven set of serious criminal charges on the main page raises serious BLP concerns in my mind. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, we do post arrests. I've posted five examples above and am still going through the archives. Here are another 10. They are in no particular order as that's how the search delivers them.
- In the midst of announced reforms by Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, over 40 senior Saudi princes and ministers are arrested on corruption charges.
- Hezbollah rejects arrest warrants issued by the Special Tribunal for Lebanon against its senior members.
- Guinean President Alpha Condé is arrested by military officials during a coup d'état.
- In Russia, protests against the arrest of Alexey Navalny occur in many cities.
- Suffolk police launch an investigation on five dead bodies discovered near Ipswich in Suffolk, United Kingdom. A 37-year-old supermarket worker is arrested in nearby Trimley St. Martin on suspicion of murder.
- The Chinese government announces that artist and dissident Ai Weiwei has been arrested.
- Two separate criminal probes result in the arrest of seven FIFA officials and the raid of its headquarters by Swiss police.
- Three individuals are arrested for involvement with a security breach at Twitter that resulted in many prominent accounts promoting a bitcoin scam.
- Wichita, Kansas police announce the arrest of Dennis Rader, who they suspect to be the BTK killer.
- In Germany, 25 members of a far-right group are arrested in connection with a coup d'état plot.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 20:49, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, we do post arrests. I've posted five examples above and am still going through the archives. Here are another 10. They are in no particular order as that's how the search delivers them.
- Support A notable case of a government action against one of the most popular messengers in the world, has sparked a huge debate about free expression and compliance with authorities, possibly a field-changing event. The article looks fine. Trepang2 (talk) 21:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The French government have said that the arrest is nothing to do with them and is purely a police matter, appearing to be part of a larger investigation. Given that, the arrest of someone who isn't a major public figure I don't believe rises to the level of ITN - yet. Black Kite (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Masem and many others above, wait for the conviction. Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I believe this was closed too early. I know this isn't a vote but I count 11 opposes to 8 supports, definitely not a one-sided debate. Furthermore there were still new additions just a few hours before this was closed, don't we usually wait until the discussion has died down before closing. Either way this was a close issue that people were still discussing so it seems premature to close it so soon. Flyingfishee (talk) 07:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I concur, I've left a talk page message for the admin to reconsider their closure. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Item is about to go stale and there's clearly no consensus to post. --Pats2017 (talk) 01:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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- ^ Illmer, Andreas. "German elections: Who won, who lost — results by the numbers". Deutsche Welle. Retrieved 1 September 2024.