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Ali Maisam Nazary

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This article does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for politicians and living persons WP:GNG and WP:Politician.A significant part of the text in this article lacks reliable sources. The sources provided only mention this person in passing, without significant coverage that would establish their notability in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 12:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I believe this page merits retention. Several notable news sources have published articles in which Nazary figures prominently, such as this one by the New York Sun. Dan Wang (talk) 22:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete: Highly WP:BLP concerns especially with the sourcing, which doesn't clarify or meet WP:SIGCOV in independent sources. In general view of this discussion, the article doesn't meet WP:NPOL. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
  • What elements of the article are inadequate in their sourcing? Let's work to improve them before we move to scrap the page outright. Dan Wang (talk) 03:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

    Why are you so focused on preserving this article? Do you have any benefit? Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 18:20, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

    @Dan Wang What is your connection with this person and the political organization in which this person is active? (National resistance front) Your focus is only on the National Resistance Front and its individuals. Almost all your edits are related to this organization and its affiliated individuals. This is a clear violation of Wikipedia's policies. I would like to draw the attention of the respected admins to this issue. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 19:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Tressless

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All of the citations used in this article are either links to the forum itself, or trivial mentions of the form 'online forums like r/tressless' mentioned in articles about hair loss in general. This is not the significant independent coverage required by WP:GNG and WP:NWEB. I have looked and I have not been able to find any sourcing that would meet our requirements. This was moved into article space by a draft's creator after the draft was declined, so here we are at AFD. MrOllie (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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That's pretty uncharitable. It was explained and linked to directly multiple times in both NBC and a *leading* paragraph in NYT, has been in print, and is not merely mentioned in passing as you claim. & don't know if it's against some guideline I didn't see, but the article was moved out of draft after addressing and improving based on feedback, not directly after being declined. Quarkipedia (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

NBC mentioned it twice. Here are the full quotes: Finasteride is also heavily touted on a popular website called Tressless, which is also an active community on Reddit. and CORRECTION: ( June 10, 2024, 8:10 p.m ET) An earlier version of this article misidentified the website Tressless. It is active on Reddit, but not a Reddit community.. The NY times is similar. That is a textbook example of a trivial mention. MrOllie (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I said "linked", it's used as a supporting citation in NBC further down the page. And it's the third sentence, and entire second paragraph in an NYT article, including print, it's not tucked into other text. But based on the consistent distortion in your comments today, indiscriminate deletions of useful but pedantically non-compliant text in other articles, and many complaints about you online, I'm guessing you know what you're doing, so ok. Quarkipedia (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

This discussion is about whether or not sources that contain significant independent coverage exist. Links are irrelevant to that. And making personal attacks is not going to help the situation - only providing sources that meet notability requirements will. MrOllie (talk) 20:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Doesn't meet WP:NWEB as all sources are either unreliable or trivial mentions. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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Obersturmmann

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Procedural nom; a malformed PROD with rationale This does not seem important enough to warrant its own page. Indeed, on the German language wiki, this information is merely included on the SA page. was removed. I don't see sufficient sourcing, but would not be surprised if sourcing exists. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. Plenty of sourcing, as with all such ranks, all of which have articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
  • What sourcing? According to some talk-page comments, the Sturmabteilung didn't have this rank; it's unclear what organization in Nazi Germany did. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. I have no idea what the "plenty of sourcing" Necrothesp is referring to. Almost nothing comes up for this word at all on google scholar, and the hits are to sources that appear to be lists of one kind or another (example), or from very dodgy sources. (For an example, here's the description of one of the books that comes up: "We had to do it. We had to reprint this book. Rarely has a book had such an impact on so many of us here at Ignatius Press. It is one of the most powerful and moving books we have come across. If you can only buy one book this season, this must be the one." This doesn't scream "strong editorial oversight" to me.) We don't mention it on Sturmabteilung either, so it's not a good redirect destination. If anyone does find this plenty of sourcing, please do let me know. -- asilvering (talk) 03:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Greg Koukl

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No evidence of notability, warning has been in place for over 7 years. I cannot find sources to indicate notability has been attained since the last nomination in 2011, which was closed as no consensus. glman (talk) 18:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak delete: Rather prolific author and is talked about a ton in the religious media, but a distinct lack of book reviews in "mainstream" media (for lack of a better word). This [1] review in religious media is typical... Some scattered mentions here [2] or [3]. We'd need more of these last two types of sources for this to have a chance to be notable here. Was hoping this would pass AUTHOR. Oaktree b (talk) 00:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep. I have added another reference which squeezes him over the line on WP:GNG. But the Google scholar citations are actually pretty good, including 98 for Tactics. StAnselm (talk) 23:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as has good cites for two of his books as per Google Scholar here and coverage in reliable sources such as The Christian Post, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep:He's made STR. He's notable. Quote Veteran (talk) 18:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Jansen AG

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DOesn't meet WP:ORG / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 19:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment I found some coverage:

• 100 years anniversary [4][5]
• Mergers and acquisitions [6][7][8][9][10]
• A visit to the company [11]
• Coverage of their electricity production via PV panels [12]
• Winners of the European Geothermal Innovation Award [13]
• Two profiles on the St. Galler Tagblatt [14][15]

I'm not sure if it's enough for WP:ORG, @Boleyn: what do you think? If the company has been around for 100 years, probably more can be found. Broc (talk) 11:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep. 50 year profile here as well. Plus above, IMO it is good for NORG. Also an encyclopedia entry on the company's founder and the company (other coverage on the founder). PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete fails NCORP and Reliable sources. Old-AgedKid (talk) 09:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Ultimate Spider-Man and X-Men

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Could possibly redirect to Panini Comics, but I would be wary of a merge/redirect as this is unsourced. Sounds like it could be notable, but I couldn't find sufficient reliable sources to confirm it. Boleyn (talk) 19:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete According to the content of this article, the comic is not some unique story, but simply combines two previously published comics due to logistical inconsistencies. It didn't get any media attention and wasn't an important thing. I haven't found any mentions except in the fandom, and nothing important there either. I don't think there's even talk of a merger with Panini Comics, because WP:NOTCATALOG--Saul McGill (talk) 23:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Medicare Current Beneficiary Survey

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I had an undisclosed conflict of interest when I created this article. My supervisor has asked me to request that the article be deleted on this basis. I am sorry I created it. I hope this process will be simple. Thank you. A loose necktie (talk) 20:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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The Rudiments

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I couldn't find convincing evidence they meet WP:NBAND / WP:GNG. They have been with more than one record label, so there are several potential redirect targets, though I am not sure which would be preferable. I wouldn't propose a merge as there is no sourced information. Boleyn (talk) 19:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: No sources, article does not have an encyclopedic tone. Also I couldn't find how they were notable for a Wikipedia article. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 20:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete: No strong sources, a conversational style, and no clear claim to fame for the band. Waqar💬 15:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. There is a case for WP:NBAND#5, but the search (which the above voters may or may not have conducted) came up a little light. One EP review in Maximum Rocknroll, two sizeable reviews by In Music We Trust as well as another good one by Allmusic. The band predates most of the current Internet Geschichte (talk) 08:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources coverage identified above by Geschiste. Haven't done a full search yet, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep: In addition to what has been linked, there is another review by AllMusic. toweli (talk) 12:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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Serik Tolbassy

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability or SNG. All resume type material with promotional type wording, plus material on companies and organizations that he is affiliated with. Of the 4 references, one is a brief bio, 2 have just mentions of him at an event and one is a forbes listing of him being the 26th or 56th richest man in Kazakhstan. Tagged by others since January. North8000 (talk) 20:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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Society of Physicists of Macedonia

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I found no notability per WP:ORG. SL93 (talk) 22:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep 75+ y.o. professional organizations. Sources are likely in Macedonian (using Cyrillic alphabet) and Greek (using Greek alphabet), so not surprising that they can't be found in a summary google search. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep for same reason as above. Searching on the Cyrillic I find some pages, although I am relying on Chrome translate. It does seem to be an established organization that has been around for a significant time, no reason to delete. Ldm1954 (talk) 08:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I disagree that there is automatically no reason to delete because sources might exist. On top of that, the year of establishment is currently unverified which is a core Wikipedia policy. SL93 (talk) 19:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

N.B., I did find sources, it was not "might". Ldm1954 (talk) 22:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Means the same thing to me as you haven't shared them. I see this being a keep so I guess it doesn't matter.. SL93 (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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New Zaire (government in exile)

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Do not meet with critera guideline. No centered sources before 2024 Panam2014 (talk) 17:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: WP:ATD can be a merge to Christian Malanga or United Congolese Party. Curbon7 (talk) 23:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete or Redirect to either Christian Malanga or United Congolese Party, as suggested above. A check of the sources shows little evidence that this is an independent concept. DW and Reuters refer only to a "head of government in exile" and mention "New Zaire" only as a name used by others. One of the AP sources does likewise and the other does not mention New Zaire at all. Giving it an article like this one gives New Zaire WP:UNDUE weight. An article about the event of the attempted coup might be another matter, though. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:39, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Wheatley2 (talk) 09:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep Not having enough sources isn't a good reason to delete a page of an organization, especially since it attempted a coup against the DRC Government. If people want to learn about said coup they would also like to learn about the organization that did it, deleting this would not be helpful. Eehuiio (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Article about coup and organization are both sufficiant. Panam2014 (talk) 12:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge as suggested above, but only secondarily sourced prose and perhaps the image. The primary sourced prose seems OR, the infobox is entirely unhelpful, and the secondary sources while noting the topic do not show independent notability. The next step up to merge to is United Congolese Party. In the case this also shares similar notability issues, that could all be merged to Christian Malanga, but that may be a separate discussion. CMD (talk) 07:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Christian Malanga: Any substantial sources about the subject are discussing Malanga rather than the party itself. United Congolese Party uses very weak sources. Reconrabbit 15:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep I see no reason to delete. It meets all notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:F1A4:4A00:1102:5373:5075:6C13 (talk) 16:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

  It meets no notability. Panam2014 (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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List of films featuring space stations

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A non-encyclopedic cross categorization of the "List of X with Y" variety. Fictional depictions of space stations is a notable topic, hence our existing article on the subject, but a list simply recording movies that have space stations appearing in them runs afoul of WP:NOT. Rorshacma (talk) 21:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• How many others of Category:Lists of films by topic or Category:Lists of films by common content are you planning on deleting next? Andy Dingley (talk) 21:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• While I haven't looked through those, I will say that in many cases a list of things categorized by a topic is different then a list of things categorized by something specific that appeared in them, which is what this list is. This one happened to stick out to me because I know that our Space stations and habitats in fiction article was completely rewritten due to an AFD prompted by it initially being nothing but a list of things with space stations in them. Rorshacma (talk) 22:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I created this article based on WP:NOTESAL, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been." These were the core list reliable sources that justify the nature of this list in the first place:

• "Space Stations in Movies". Rocket City Space Pioneers. Dynetics. Archived from the original on December 17, 2013. Retrieved July 26, 2013.
• Kramer, Miriam (August 8, 2013). "Our 10 Favorite Sci-Fi Space Stations of All Time". Space.com. TechMediaNetwork, Inc.
• Westfahl, Gary (2009). Islands in the Sky: The Space Station Theme in Science Fiction Literature. Borgo Press. ISBN 978-1-4344-0356-8.

Looking now, I am not seeing more than the above that I found at the time (2013). It feels on the threshold of notability for me, so I'll let others decide. If the consensus is that there should not be a standalone list, let's at least have a film and/or TV section at Space stations and habitats in fiction highlighting what the above list sources name. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:20, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

EDIT: Actually, this indicates that the book Space Stations: The Art, Science, and Reality of Working in Space seems to have a "Space Stations in the Movies and on TV" chapter or section. If we can find more, that would be great. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 22:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep not a non-encyclopedic cross-categorization. Science fiction is a specific genre of movie, a subset of which involve a space station, and that subset has been discussed in RS as shown above. Jclemens (talk) 22:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Hm, I don't think that argument really counters the text at WP:CROSSCAT, since it could be plugged in to argue for the examples specifically cited there as things to avoid. The issue is that this is not a list or article on "Space Station Films" (which even if that could be considered a genre, would still likely be better off covered at Space stations and habitats in fiction), but simply a list of movies in which the same object appears at some point (in this case, a space station). As I mentioned above, there's a difference between a list covering films of the same genre or topic (i.e. List of films about horse racing) and one just listing films in which a certain "thing" happens to appear (i.e., List of Films With Horses). Rorshacma (talk) 23:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Kulwant Singh Rauke

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Disputed PROD. My rationale still stand, the subject fails WP:NPOL and there's no evidence that there's a passing of the criteria that constitutes WP:GNG either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Strong monad

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Article is >90% mathematical notation and diagrams, and minimal general-interest content. Looks like an excerpt from a research paper. WP:NOTTEXTBOOK: article should not be presented on the assumption that the reader is well-versed in the topic's field. If content is useful for encyclopedia, it might be summarized and moved to Monad (category theory). beefyt (talk) 20:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom; a definition pulled from a research-paper with insufficient usage by others. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Bent's Camp Resort

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Advertisement for non-notable 12-cabin 'resort'. Sourcing is abysmal, and largely used for off-topic padding. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep I apologize that the article was not developed. It is a 131 year old camp and there is enough information available to write an encyclopedic article like this source about the founder "Charle's Bent" who is not yet in this article 1. They have a history in the Wisconsin lumber industry and deer hunt and harvest. It looks like they were recently featured on the America's Best Restaurants Road Show 2. I also do not think there is anything in this article about their annual music event "Northwoodstock" 3. Probably more to be said about their annual "Radar run" event also 4 Lightburst (talk) 19:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - if it is a resort, should the relevant notability guidelines be WP:NORG? If so, it should probably be added to the appropriate delsort too. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

It isn't at all clear whet the supposed claim to notability even is. As a former logging camp? A camping ground? A place that runs events? A place in the same county as alleged Bigfoot sightings? Hard to tell... AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I added it to companies. The lead tells us it is a resort in Wisconsin. A resort is a business. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sirfurboy: Thanks, historically it is a place that has had the same name but its use has evolved over a century. Right now it is a campground that hosts major events and also has a lodge. When I went there last year I took photos of the music festival (on commons now) and I also wrote an article on the lake which separates the Wisc and MI (Mamie Lake (Wisconsin)). The photo in the Mamie Lake article is looking away from the lodge at Bent's Camp. I have been editing less these days but I hope to get around to developing the article if it is not deleted. Lightburst (talk) 23:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

What are these 'major events'? Where is the evidence that anyone not seeking to publicise them considers them 'major'. And how can a 12-cabin resort host 'major events' anyway? AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I am dancing as fast as I can. Lightburst (talk) 23:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I take it this is the 'major event' you are referring to? [16] AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: I'm not seeing significant coverage in multiple independent, secondary reliable sources. TarnishedPath^talk 05:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Deletesee revised merge vote below In addition to the sources in the article, Lightburst gives 3 above. The first is really about Land o' Lakes, Wisconsin, but discusses Bent and does confirm that he created a fishing camp with log cabins and dining in 1896. However this is not signifcant coverage under any guideline. The mention of the camp is passing. The second link is not reliable in that it presents different information in different locations of the world. In any case it appears to be simply news about a restaurant (if you are an American consumer). The last link is an announcement. That is certainly a primary source. So we have nothing. No notability for a standalone article. Next question is whether a merge or redirect is appropriate. The most likely merge target is to the stub at Mamie Lake (Wisconsin). However I cannot see why that article subject is notable either, albeit that it would be considered under the much laxer WP:GEOLAND. I also considered redirect to Land o' Lakes, Wisconsin, as this is what the source above is about. However it is not really Bent's Camp Resort that is discussed there. Rather, it is Bent who would be of sufficient note for a mention. At this point, I don't see any benefit in a redirect that outweighs the disbenefit of Wikipedia promotionally mentioning non notable businesses. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete This isn’t an encyclopedia article; it’s an advertisement with footnotes. Qwirkle (talk) 13:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Note: This AfD has been canvassed offline by the nominator. It occurred on WPO in a thread titled "Crap Articles". The entry in that thread by the nominator says, "Bent's Camp Resort (T-H-L) Another masterpiece by Lightburst...". So it looks like this article will be deleted before I can add research about the history of the place; it would be nice to have this sent to draft or user space. If that cannot be done I understand. Lightburst (talk) 16:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not seeing any sign of canvassing. Everyone who has commented so far is an AfD regular. But if you are saying there are sources that demonstrate notability, you only need to show they exist, and you have a week to do it. Deletion is a discussion, not a foregone conclusion. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Sirfurboy I understand, thanks for your consideration. I have no desire to edit for the time being. This is not a "woe is me" post, but I have to admit to myself that I had enough of the project for now. Lightburst (talk) 18:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Brandon (talk) 17:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Brandon Thanks, You are right, and I am sorry that it reads like a travel guide. I did argue for WP:NEXIST but hunting down sources is not on my schedule right now. If editors think this place should not be on Wikipedia I have to accept that. Lightburst (talk) 18:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This is not a travel brochure, this is an article about a regional institution that has been around since at least the 1890s. Carrite (talk) 05:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Absolutely no evidence of notability. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - I think this is likely a bad faith nomination. It's a fairly close call, GNG wise — being in operation for over a century, it is quite likely there is undiscovered sourcing out there. Carrite (talk) 05:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

THIS is an article from the Vilas County News of May 23, 1923 calling Bent's Camp the 4th oldest resort at that time and printing a photograph of it from the 1890s. Carrite (talk) 05:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

HERE is an obituary for Austin Bent, son of Charles Bent, and for a time proprietor of Bent's Camp. It includes significant detail about the ownership of the business over time. Carrite (talk) 05:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

AND HERE we have a short piece from the Green Bay Press-Gazette on a petition over the expansion of Bent's Camp in 1965. Carrite (talk) 05:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

THIS is a very substantial piece from the Madison Capital Times on the Bent's Camp expansion controversy, which had drawn in a member of the Wisconsin Conservation Commission. Carrite (talk) 05:50, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - I've seen enough here, plus the footnotes showing in the piece, to get this one over the GNG bar. This is not commercial propaganda, this is a piece about living Americana, a historical site heading towards 150 years in operation. Carrite (talk) 05:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

AGAIN on the middle-1960s development controversy, this time noting that the case had gone all the way to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. Carrite (talk) 05:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

AND THIS PIECE, entitled "North Needs Financing to Save Its Old Resorts," puts the Bent's Camp development controversy into historical context, as indicative of problems being suffered by other fishing resorts of the region. Carrite (talk) 05:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

No. You may have demonstrated that a worthwhile article might be written about this, but what was actually written belongs on one of those display stands of shiny cardstock brochures about local tourist traps. Whether better sourcing makes this worth an article, or space in another article, is still an open question. Qwirkle (talk) 06:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey Qwirkle we meet again - twice in one night. Can we can consider WP:NEXIST as demonstrated by the Carrite sources? It is late here but I can try to find time to add them to the article tomorrow. Or another editor may add them. Thanks for considering. Lightburst (talk) 07:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Pinging Sirfurboy, Brandon, Qwirkle, TarnishedPath to consider the above. Carrite (talk) 06:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I've struck my comment as this is all a bit too spicy for my tastes. Brandon (talk) 06:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Carrite on review of the analysis that @Sirfurboy has compiled below I don't see any reason to change my delete !vote, unless something changes. TarnishedPath^talk 08:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Thank you to Carrite who found sources to demonstrate WP:GNG. Like others here, I came from the ANI. Bruxton (talk) 06:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 07:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - source assessment Carrite has spent considerable effort finding mention of this business in old newspapers using Newspapers.com. Many thanks for spending the time and effort to do that. On first glance I thought at least one of these was good: a review that talks about the camp. However, the depth of the review must be considered against the appropriate guidelines, and on that score, it does not meet WP:CORPDEPTH. The WP:NORG guideilines describe what is required for significant coverage in CORPDEPTH which says:

  The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability. Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization. Such coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements, and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization.

I have thus produced the following source assessment table for these new sources. Note that this is my own assessment only.

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Secondary?	Overall value toward ORGCRIT
Eagle River Review [17]	I have not checked. Articles such as this often are not independent, but considering its age, and the coverage of 4 such camps, I have assumed it is ok		There is a single paragraph on the page subject (although the OCR splits it to 2), plus a photo. It has some salient information (not the oldest resrort, and the trail was cut through hardwood with an axe, built as a rendevous for lumberjacks). Looking at the CORPDEPTH guideline quoted above, it is clear that we don't have information here that can be used to write more than a brief or incomplete stub.	Worth mentioning here that newspaper reporting is a primary source, but this is not reporting so clearly secondary.
Wasua Daily Herald [18]			Passing mention in an obituary.	This one, however, is reporting Bent's death. A primary source for Bent, and the mention of the camp occasioned by the primary reporting.
Green Bay Press Gazette [19]		TBH I am just assuming the reliablity for all of these. They probably are, but I haven't checked.	This is about opposition to development by the owner of the camp. Nothing about the camp per CORPDEPTH.	Reporting the protest. We would be writing a secondary source if we used articles such as this to build an article. It would be good history, but a poor encyclopaedic article.
The Capital Times 1 [20] The Capital Times 2 [21] The Capital Times 3 [22] Multiple articles from a single source count together.			1 Mentions one of the enterpreneurs in the clash as the owner of the business. That is all. 2 all we are told is that business had sagged. 3 The last and this call it historic, but that is all it says. What historic means here is, presumably, it has been there a long time, as nothing actually historic is told to us.	1 is reporting a clash between businesses and is primary, 2 reports a falling out which is primary news reporting, 3 is reporting a need for financing, which is primary for that, but as the financing is to save "old resorts", the question of whether there is a mix of secondary reporting there of the camp itself is moot as there isn't significant reporting of it.

Note that under NORG we need multiple sources, and each source must individually meet WP:SIRS. I don't think any of these do. If someone were inclined to accept the first, you would still need multiple such sources. So we are not there yet. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - Almost completely sourced by primary sources, and, as Sirfurboy has pointed out above, there aren't enough reliable secondary sources to meet notability requirements. Articles are only as good as their sources allow, and what there isn't reliable. Easy delete.--Panian513 20:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Looking at the material User:Carrite brought in hasn't changed my mind that this current article doesn't belong in mainspace, but has, I think made the case that the subject is a little more important than this article would show. Maybe not as a standalone, but as an expanded part of LoL or the Cisco lakes and so forth. Maybe draftify it for now? Qwirkle (talk) 21:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Wegner, Robert (2008). Classic Deer Camps. Iola, Wisconsin: Krause Publications. pp. 101–115. ISBN 978-0-89689-655-0. Retrieved 2024-07-14 – via Internet Archive.

     Bent's Camp Resort is covered on pages 101–115 of the book. The book notes: "Bent’s Camp remains a classic example of how man converted the antique, quaint lumber camps of the old lumbering era into romantic deer camps and recreational resorts of the early twentieth century; how these old time lumber camps became great enclaves of manliness and refined sportsmanship with a pronounced wildlife conservation ethic. Yet women also emerged into this rustic atmosphere as well, as we see in those two great deer hunting photos of Lizzy Bent with her classic Winchester rifle in hand and Henry and Ruth Voss posing with their trophy whitetail at Manitowish Waters—two photos shown in the Wisconsin Public Television Documentary "A State of Escape." Bent's Camp still exists today in all its magnificent splendor; in the interior of the camp with its beautiful, sapling wainscoating deer hunters still converse, tell stories, and in the North Woods around the camp reconnect with the ancient rhythms of nature."

  2. Hintz, Martin; Percy, Pam (2014). Williams, Tracee (ed.). Food Lovers' Guide to Wisconsin: The Best Restaurants, Markets & Local Culinary Offerings. Guilford, Connecticut: Globe Pequot Press. p. 252. ISBN 978-0-7627-9214-6. Retrieved 2024-07-14 – via Internet Archive.

     The book notes: "Dating from 1906, Bent's has the appropriate look of a bygone era, with its rustic decor including birch bark, held in place by cedar-bark strips, lining the ceiling and walls. Photos from the early days of Bent's Camp Jare everywhere, including on the menu. Almost everything has a homemade touch, from the vegetables grown on-site to the handmade pizza. Steaks and roast duck are specialties, with nightly specials. Pork chops, ribs, and yellowfin tuna earn raves from ravenous visitors, in from a day of fishing. Speaking of fins, Bent's Friday fish fry attracts a big crowd. Breakfast is served Saturday and Sunday with a Bloody Mary bar available starting at the wee hour of 8 a.m. Early every August, Bent's hosts its Northwoodstock festival, with live music all day and lots of food and beer. This self-proclaimed "hippie hoe down" is good for laughs, plenty of hamburgers, and several rounds of brew."

  3. Westervelt, Amy (2012). Michigan's Upper Peninsula: A Great Destination. Woodstock, Vermont: The Countryman Press. pp. 175, 178. ISBN 978-1-58157-138-7. Retrieved 2024-07-14.

     The book notes: "Just over the Wisconsin border, in Land O’Lakes, Bent’s Camp (715-547-3487; www.bents-camp .com; $$$, closed Tuesdays in winter) offers a similar sort of experience. A former logging camp turned into a popular fishing resort, Bent’s also features an outstanding restaurant, famous for its Friday fish fry, Saturday prime rib, juicy roast duck, and homemade pizzas. Located in the main lodge of the resort, Bent’s Camp restaurant features wood tables in a large wooden, open-beam interior decorated with Native American trinkets and local hunting trophies. The restaurant has its own dock for those boating in for a meal. The Friday fish fry is renowned throughout the region, so plan on getting there early or waiting awhile if you want to find out what the big fuss is about—it's worth it."

  4. Gauper, Beth (2005-02-13). "Golden Oldies - In the North Woods, Classic Lodges Are Remnants of a Vanished Era". St. Paul Pioneer Press. Archived from the original on 2024-07-14. Retrieved 2024-07-14.

     The article provides 233 words of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "Not far away, near the Michigan border west of Land O' Lakes, Bent's Camp began life in 1896 as a camp for sportsmen, brought over from the railroad landing in a wooden scow called the Tar Baby. A log restaurant was built in 1906, with interior walls covered by thick squares of birch bark held in place by cedar strips. Today, it's one of the north woods' most treasured spots. In the bar, old photos illustrate the resort's early history and a fire crackles in the stone fireplace; diners sit in a room lined with paned windows overlooking Mamie Lake or in the wood-paneled big room, under the gaze of a giant stag head. It's as far off the beaten path as it can be, but the specials when I was there were pure uptown -- Chilean sea bass with a langoustine cream sauce, duck confit and a delectable phyllo-wrapped lamb with gorgonzola, rosemary and garlic. ... Bent's Camp near Land O' Lakes, Wis.: This is a great destination even for a beer, ..."

  5. Bawden, Timothy (2001). Reinventing the Frontier: Tourism, Nature, and Environmental Change in Northern Wisconsin, 1880–1930 (PhD thesis). University of Wisconsin–Madison. p. 115. ProQuest 231652918. Retrieved 2024-07-14.

     The PhD thesis notes: "Charles Bent, a logger and lumberman from Oconto County, came to Vilas County in 1893 to homestead 67 acres of densely forested land on the shore of Lake Mamie, located 12 miles west of State Line (Land O' Lakes). The timber was so thick that a 40 acre tract produced a million feet of pine. Bent cleared some of the land in that first year and used the logs to build a main lodge and a few other buildings for his resort, naming it Bent's Camp. He eventually built his property into an impressive resort that included a main lodge, 12 cottages, a guide's quarters, stables, and ice and boat houses. The resort could accommodate 75 guests by 1915, which was almost twice the average at the time.

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Bent's Camp Resort to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 09:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

1 and 5 of this list look interesting. Still trying to get the first book. The first is unavailable to borrow just now - do you still have it out? I need to read the last still. The middle three are not going to pass CORPDEPTH. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to Mamie Lake (Wisconsin) - Cunard adds five sources above, and again thanks for the efforts on this. One of these, I suspect is a very good source, but I cannot review it, as below. I would be happy to admit that the hobbyist book, Classic Deer Camps is likely to provide significant coverage in an independent reliable secondary source. The others I discount as I do not believe they meet CORPDEPTH. To show the notability of a business there needs to be more than directory style information, or basic history. This then leaves us short of the multiple WP:SIRS sources we need. However, on Wegner's book alone, I think we, per WP:FAILORG, have sufficient information that there should be mention of the camp on Wikipedia. I thus have revised my above delete !vote to a merge. The stub at Mamie Lake would be the best merge target, and a merge there would improve that page, retain the information about the camp on Wikipedia, and provide an appropriate place to add other such information. My assessment of the sources provided by Cunard is below.

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Secondary?	Overall value toward ORGCRIT
Classic Deer Camps [23]	No indication that Wegner has any connection with the camp that would suggest this is not independent.	The publisher is Krause Publications (KP), which allows self publishing. [24], but I think that is perhaps recent. It was formerly known for hobby magazines and books. At time of publication (2008), KP were owned by F+W, publishers of special interest works. This author published a number of deer hunting books through KP. This would be a hobby book, but it is not clear to what extent it had any editorial review. It is, however, well put together. I don't see a reason to deny its reliability.	There is clearly a whole chapter on the camp. I think this is very likely to constitute signiifcant coverage, but the book is hard to find. Open Library has it but with limited preiview. None of my library services have it, and the specialist hobby nature of the work will make it hard to track down. I tehrefore cannot verify that it has significant coverage - but, again, it is a likely pass.
Food Lovers' Guide to Wisconsin: The Best Restaurants, Markets & Local Culinary Offerings [25]	An entry in a food lover's guide may not be independent as sometimes the entries are placed for payment. I have not investigated whether this is the case here as it fails on significance.	It is a guide about the food in the state. It appears to be a reliable one.	One long paragraph about the food at the bar and lodge restaurant in a local food lover's guide. Other than the date (of the restaurant), there is nothing here to write an article from. Fails CORPDEPTH.
Michigan's Upper Peninsula: A Great Destination [26]	A destination guide will list all the torist businesses at the destination. Often the content is placed, or write ups may be provided by the businesses		One long paragraph, mostly about the food. Apparently the fish fry is well reputed.	The extent to which this is a secondary source is debatable. The information is written ain the style of a secondary source. It is information about the businesses, but it is occasioned by the destination guide which is a primary source inasmuch as it describes the tourist attractions at a destination for the purposes of being a guide to the location as it is.
Golden Oldies - In the North Woods, Classic Lodges Are Remnants of a Vanished Era [27]	It is an article in local press. These may not be independent but I have not investigated this further as I don't believe this meets ORGCRIT	But local press.	4 paragraphs, a touch more than the above food guide, although the flavour of this is similar. It speaks of it as atreasured spot. Plenty of people would accept this as significant if we were not looking under CORPDEPTH, but under CORPDEPTH it still does not pass muster.
Reinventing the Frontier: Tourism, Nature, and Environmental Change in Northern Wisconsin, 1880–1930 [28]			All we have is the 132 words quoted and mention of some boats. There is sufficient information here to tell us when teh camp was created and its size, but nothing that asserts notability beyond its creation, nor the kind of in depth information envisaged by CORPDEPTH. Again, we stil have nothing beyond the information sufficient for a very brief stub, as before. We can say Bent built it, when he built it and how big it was, but we don't have the level of attention required to write more.

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• Just to point out, I believe the "Classic Deer Camps" reference contains so many pages because most of those are photographs. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
• Hi Sirfurboy, I've found if you click on the arrows beside the page number, you can still see the pages of the book "Classic Deer Camps" (except maybe the first time you click but click again and they're available). From reading the available pages, arguably there isn't much by way of direct in-depth information but in my opinion there is sufficient information provided in an indirect manner. For example, much of the content is about a family named "Clow" and how they used Bent's camp as a base, sprinkled among this text is enough information to provide descriptions of various parts of the camp. Similarly on page 108 it mentions other "characters" that "hung out" at the camp and on page 109 it mentions the early years of the 20th century when the camp became a public resort charging $8 a week for board but that come deer-hunting season, the Clow deer-hunting clan took over. And so on. I think your analysis is correct, the book meets the criteria. That said, we need another source before the topic can be said to be notable. Have to also mention that on page 215 of this book, it lists other sources of information for Bent's Camp, which you can see in Google Books view of "Classic Deer Camps" HighKing⁺⁺ 16:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm only able to identify one single reference that meets the criteria for establishing notability, being the first book in Cunard's list. None of the others meet GNG/NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: per Cunard's sourcing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• See WP:PERX. This isn't a !vote count. HighKing⁺⁺ 16:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  What else am I supposed to say besides "I think Cunard's sources show that it is notable"? Of course it isn't a vote count but is there a need to rehash things when someone else has already said what I think? PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• It's a discussion. Which of Cunard's sources show it is notable and is there anything you can add which might rebut the analysis of Sirfurboy which points out why 4 of those sources don't meet GNG/NCORP criteria? HighKing⁺⁺ 09:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further discussion of the sources brought forward during this AfD would be useful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Iranian plot to assassinate Donald Trump

Iranian plot to assassinate Donald Trump (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Was this article made in haste? I think it would be much more prudent to discuss this subject matter within the context of existing articles first before further muddying the waters. TNstingray (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Delete, Yeah I was just about to do this. There's basically no information about it right now, it does not warrant an article. Not news. Personisinsterest (talk) 20:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

We should keep it because the secret service might use Iran as a scape goat for bad protection LuisYT-FB-TM-Insta-TickTokOffical (talk) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment. I don't really see the need for this as a standalone article now because there isn't much information about it from RS, just mentions of it. If I had to pick a side, I would lean toward deletion. This can be mentioned in other articles as it is relevant.

In the future, if this becomes notable enough as a standalone topic, we can revisit it then. JMM12345 (talk) 21:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

We should keep it incase more information comes out and if any statements from the Iranian Government come out as well LuisYT-FB-TM-Insta-TickTokOffical (talk) 21:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

None of us can predict the future. If that happens, we can cross that bridge when we get to it. JMM12345 (talk) 21:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Terrorism, Iran, and United States of America. Shellwood (talk) 21:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I object to this deletion as I think the user is biased to both the secret service and trump and is attempting to censor something LuisYT-FB-TM-Insta-TickTokOffical (talk) 21:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

See WP:FUTURE, WP:TOOSOON, and WP:DEADLINE. There is no rush to create these articles just to speculate on unconfirmed possibilities for the future. Also, please don't accuse people of random conspiracy theories. They're not helping anyone and are disruptive. TheWikiToby (talk) 21:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of bias, you literally created your account today to stir up non-encyclopedic discourse, including the repeated violation of WP:FORUM, one instance of which I have already reverted and another which I am leaving on this article's talk page for now as public record. TNstingray (talk) 21:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Merge to Background of Assassination attempt of Donald Trump. Clearly there isn't the content to support a standalone article at this point, so would be better merged with existing article on Trump assassination attempt. CNC (talk) 21:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I now see this is already referenced in the Background section, so can simply be Deleted CNC (talk) 21:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to Assassination of Qasem Soleimani. The retaliation by the Iranian government is planned in response to the Assassination of Qasem Soleimani ordered by Trump's National Security Council. It therefore targets not only Donald Trump, but also other former US officials [29]. This is important info, but it does not seem to qualify for a separate page yet. My very best wishes (talk) 21:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Although the article is currently poorly written, the references to significant coverage in reliable sources are strong. CNN also published a lengthy article about this topic. This AfD should run a full week, and we can see how coverage of this develops. Cullen328 (talk) 22:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per MVBW, and the fact that we don't have any details anyway. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 22:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, WP:NOTNEWS By the time this election is over, there will have been a whole lot of so-called plots directed at both candidates, maybe even on a daily basis sometimes. — Maile (talk) 22:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Merge it is too soon for a stand-alone article here. Other than the recent reporting that there are rumors, we have no information. I have no specific opinion on what the merge target should be yet; hopefully in the next few days there will be sufficient follow-on reporting to determine that. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep -- per Cullen328, this is essentially guaranteed to have enough information to merit a standalone article in the next few days (even a short one); and we can always merge it back to Assassination of Qasem Soleimani or some related article if for some reason that doesn't happen. The news on this just broke 4 hours ago, it's patently unhelpful to be pouncing on AfD's that quickly before this has even had time to marinate. WP:CONFUSESTUB applies; as does WP:ITSINTHENEWS (especially the cautionary part saying The NOTNEWS guideline is not intended to be overused to favor deletion. There are a variety of reasons an article may be written about a particular event, and this must be taken into consideration when a news event is sent to AfD.) ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 23:56, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

List of surnames in Russia

AfDs for this article:

• Articles for deletion/List of surnames in Russia
• Articles for deletion/List of surnames in Russia (2 nomination)
• Articles for deletion/List of surnames in Russia (2nd nomination)

List of surnames in Russia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Hopelessly indiscriminate/random/subjective collection: here says they found 380 thousand different surnames in Russia, of which core of 14 thousand surnames are used by 70% of the population... And with a misleading title: it lists only east slavic surnames, while there are plethora non-slavic people in Russia from the times of Russian Empire and Soviet Union: not a single surname ending in -shvili and only one ending in -dze, no one ending in -yan/-ian i.e., Georgian surnames and Armenian surnames are thoroughly not represented. In is poorly maintained: I removed a couple obviously hoax (OK, mayby typos by nonslavic editors; AGF to them). Even slavic surnames are far from being complete: I immediately failed to find the surnames of my favorite writers: Ilf, Strugatsky, Nabokov Akunin, Zoshchenko, Bulychev, as well as other well known surnames Schmidt/Shmidt, Goldfarb, no Zeitlin/Tseitlin/Tseytlin, good thing there is Abramovich :-) ; there are Tkachenko and Tkachyov, but no Tkachuk. For some reason there are both Pelevin and Pelyovin listed, but there are hundreds of other e/yo spelling variants missing ..... And so on, and so for. - Altenmann >talk 05:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: might be related, at least in spirit, to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of the most popular given names of Kazakh women of Kazakhstan, another grand undertaking regarding names in this region. Geschichte (talk) 17:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Delete lists of this size are far too unwieldy for WP:LISTPURP-NAV to to be a good argument for keeping. Although the list topic itself undoubtedly meets WP:NLIST, I think this is WP:NOTDIRECTORY and so should be deleted. BrigadierG (talk) 20:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Ditty (musician)

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"WP:N" Bulklana (talk) 19:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Logical Position

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Trash article about non-notable company Polygnotus (talk) 19:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Allegedly related to Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_133#ROTH_Capital_Partners. AfD may not be cleanup, but if I clean this article up nothing will be left. Polygnotus (talk) 19:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment most of the references are press-releases and unimportant awards ("top 100 places-to-work in the Portland area in 2016"). But [30], while not enough on its own, suggests there might be coverage. I agree with the nom that it is unclear whether any prose would be left in the article after cleanup. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Vennli

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Vennli (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails the notability guideline for companies. Coverage in purely local sources or from alumni publications does not contribute to notability. – Teratix ₵ 17:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Archie Vaughan

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So what exactly makes this guy notable? Being the son of Michael Vaughan, is all I can tell. He hasn't played cricket at a senior level and hasn't done anything of note in cricket to warrant inclusion. No amount of WP:ROUTINE refbombs can hide that he is a WP:GNG fail. AA (talk) 17:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Not notable, fails WP:GNG. Delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 19:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep. I don’t understand whether he has already played for Somerset and the England U19 to pass WP:NCRIC, but signing a contract with the club and being called up to the U19 team is being covered in the media, which indicates the passage WP:SIGCOV. I will list several secondary sources, you can easily find more [31][32][33] Tau Corvi (talk) 14:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

But why is that notable? Plenty of people get signed by major sports teams and never go onto do anything. Is the bar really set this low? Again, if his father wasn't a famous cricketer, he would not get any coverage. AA (talk) 22:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Article was moved to mainspace via Afc. Subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Hildreth gazzard (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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6 Engineer Squadron

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The subject of the article does not seem to be notable. There is a lack of independent references provided. PercyPigUK (talk) 11:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. Any unit with a 113-year history is likely to be notable. Lack of independent references is not a good reason for deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete can't find independent sources to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 09:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep As one would expect for such an old unit, there's numerous references to the unit in the media throughout the wars. Even a 1946 book, and discussion in numerous other books about operations in both World Wars as they participated in battles like Vimy Ridge and on Juno Beach on D-Day. The German execution of three captured prisoners (2 from this unit) at the hands of Wilhelm Mohnke in 1944 gets media attention, such as ProQuest 239462705 and also discussed in a book. Nfitz (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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DWAD-TV

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This was marked as {{db-hoax}} by Myrabert01. Not sure whether it is a hoax or not, but it is certainly unsourced and was until recently about a different station of the same name. Expert attention needed to decide what should be done here. See also the talk page. —Kusma (talk) 15:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Looking at the (blocked) page creator's talk page and other contributions certainly makes "hoax" look very likely. —Kusma (talk) 16:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy delete I see trouble ahead. The details in the infobox do not make sense to anyone who understands the history of All TV or ABS-CBN. Even if this wasn't a hoax, I'd have problems with sourcing and possible existence thereof. I am pinging one user whom I trust to have the final word: WayKurat. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Revert, then delete or redirect to a list of ABS-CBN transmitters. Even de-hoaxing it does not provide significant coverage to work from. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
• Revert to older version This is the last stable version of this article, before it was bombarded with hoax information by several IP editors. Deleting this article should not be done since the hoax edits were just made last June 2024. -WayKurat (talk) 01:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Death of Jay Slater

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This seems like a prime example of NOTNEWS to me; there is no indication that this is an event that rises to encyclopedic notability, and the history is replete with the removal of excessive tabloid-style detail and suggestion. Pinging the three editors that weighed in at WP:BLPN: notwally, Bon courage, DeCausa. Drmies (talk) 16:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete for the reason you've given: WP:NOTNEWS and WP:1E. There has been a decent amount of news coverage in local weeks but he's now been confirmed as having died via misadventure that's likely to drop off very quickly now and it's not even WP:VICTIM. Fragglet (talk) 16:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete per Drmies and Fragglet. A classic news aggregator piece unsuitable for an encyclopedia. I fear that this is shouting in the wind - we have too many articles like this so I'll be very surprised if Delete succeeds. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS exists but the multiple other articles of this standard lowers the subliminal threshold. DeCausa (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. This is just passing grief porn of no lasting encyclopedic worth. No knowledge to share here, no decent analytical sourcing and Wikipedia is (or should be) WP:NOTNEWS. Bon courage (talk) 17:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  wrong wrong wrong 78.145.76.106 (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: isn't this article similar to that of Death of Nicola Bulley?... iirc, that was also nominated to be deleted?, but was kept... – 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 L1amw90  (🗣️ talk to me  • ✍️ contribs) 20:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  • User:L1amw90, there seems to be a lot more content in that article than in this one, particularly content pointing to a greater influence, for instance. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Agree with Drmies and Fragglet. What is the encyclopedic importance or enduring notability of this article subject? To document a flash of news coverage surrounding one person's death? Almost all of the article seems like trivial details. We already ignore WP:NOTNEWS too much when it comes to news reports on crimes, and I don't think it is wise to extend that to accidental deaths as well. – notwally (talk) 21:35, 16 July 2024
• Keep and not just because I started the original article, Disappearance of Jay Slater, but because I agree with L1amw90. There are many articles similar to this one which are still on Wikipedia. CitationIsNeeded (talk) 22:49, 16 July 2024

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List of shooting ranges in Akershus

List of shooting ranges in Akershus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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WP:NOTDIRECTORY. As noted in discussion of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shooting ranges in Norway, this fails WP:LISTCRITERIA. It's a nice list and interesting geodata... but not encyclopaedic content. Hemmers (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Speedy delete Tagged with WP:A2, but agree this is a directory of non-notable places. Reywas92^Talk 17:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages; almost all of these don't have stand-alone articles. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

List of Air Malta destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, and plain old common sense.

Let's start with common sense: why on earth do we have an article listing destinations that Air Malta DOES NOT FLY TO! Every destination here is listed as "terminated" or "Airport Closed"!

WP:NOT is failed under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". This is a straight forward listing of services that Air Malta possibly provided at some point but now no longer does.

WP:NCORP is failed because there is no evidence at all that the services offered by Air Malta are a notable topic based on reliable, independent, third-party sources that would meet WP:ORGIND. I could go through every single one of the sources cited but there is little point in repeating the same statement over and over - these are all either company announcements, or reports in local/industry press based entirely on company press-releases and statements. For example the Malta Today story is based entirely on a statement by a company spokesman.

This is also original research. None of these sources show that these flights were offered (or terminated) in January 2023. This can be said because none of the sources are dated to January 2023 - some are later, some are anything up to a decade or more earlier.

This is essentially an article entirely about run-of-the-mill announcements about services from a company that can change from one week to the next. It is the equivalent of an article trying to list the locations of all Burger Kings in August 1987 or all Pizza Huts in December 1998. Simply the worst kind of indiscriminate information. FOARP (talk) 16:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete I can't believe the debate over airline destinations is still ongoing. Listings of every single place every airline has ever run a service to ever is textbook WP:INDISCRIMINATE, it's just bizarre. Commercial developments should be folded into main article prose, line changes that aren't part of a wider commercial development just aren't encyclopaedic. BrigadierG (talk) 20:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete indiscriminate list of services possibly provided at some point in time, per nom. Rosbif73 (talk) 21:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

News9 Plus

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AfDed per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/News9Live Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete and salt This current version is blatantly promotional compared to the original version ("News9 Mediaverse umbrella"?!) and N is still not met at all. Nate • (chatter) 16:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Poor sources with no significant coverage on the organization. Fails WP:NCORP. RangersRus (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Sources are comprised of a few questionable websites, some of which are "News9" sites. Not notable. Ternera (talk) 18:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Speedy delete WP:G4 BrigadierG (talk) 21:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Civic technology companies

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Largely redundant of civic technology and dubious sources throughout. The list is largely non-notable organizations. Anything useful here could be merged into civic technology. ZimZalaBim ^talk 15:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Khais Millen

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Immediately refunded after soft deletion in 2023 but no change to address concerns in first AfD. Film writer/director who does not pass WP:GNG, WP:NCREATIVE, WP:NBIO. Most sources are [WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS]] if they mention him at all; there's an interview that's a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE and a single example of WP:SIGCOV that exhibits all the hallmarks of unreliable content of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Not enough to pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: fairly meets WP:DIRECTOR AND WP:CREATIVE with at least 3 2 notable films directed and 3 2 written (not mentioning the fact he produced. 2); the said films are notable creations that received independent and in-depth coverage mentioning him. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  What part of WP:DIRECTOR are you referring to with "three notable films"? (Only two films he has been involved in even have en-wiki pages and only one of those he directed.) The only criterion I could plausibly see cited is "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work," but there's no evidence that any of his works are "significant or well-known." Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  I consider his debut film as director notable enough. See coverage about it online. It has no page yet on WP, true. Added 2 links to the article. Writer: my bad, I had counted Lipstick, which is a short. Even if it's only two or even if it it was only one, he would pass both SNGs because these works can be considered significant, as coverage shows. I'll leave it at that as he is a really clear pass imv.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC) (number of significant films; clarification: 3 or 4 films including 2 directed (Thala; and I count Aakashvani), 2 written (Adithattu and Thala, to which one can add again Aakashvani)); the 1st has received a significant award and is clearly significant imv).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment on the opening assertion in the nomination: sorry but no change to address concerns in first AfD is an inaccurate statement.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  Fine, no substantive change. The addition of WP:TRIVIALMENTION citations does not address the concerns in the AfD. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  I beg to differ. If those mentions (trivial or not) allow to verify he had an essential role in notable productions they do address the concerns, especially as one mentioned the award for Best Second film that was not mentioned before, unless I am mistaken. I remember checking them (or even adding some) myself back then. I should leave it at that that, as I had said, sorry. Thanks, anyway. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Girish Tanti

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WP:NOTRESUME. Fails WP:GNG WP:BASIC. Initially, I tried to draftify the page, but there is already a rejected draft in existence. Charlie (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Michael Lejsek

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Redirect to Czech Republic at the 2022 Winter Olympics#Luge as I could not find enough in-depth coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. I've checked corresponding Wikipedia article in other languages, especially the Czech one that might help copy over English article, but none of them provide significant coverage on him. One-time Olympics participant, Lejsek was not even one of the three luge medalists in pre-mentioned tournament either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:34, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment. World Championships participant in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023. European Championships participant in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023. (According to Whatlinkshere, haven't clicked them yet.) Geschichte (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Iain McKee

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG - a WP:BEFORE search turned up no focused coverage, just passing mentions in coverage about projects he was associated with in some way. Also does not appear to meet WP:NACTOR as his roles are mostly non-significant. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 14:08, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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List of permanent Ambisonic playback systems

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Wikipedia is not a directory this article contains very few internal links to notable articles, all that is included is external links, which has become a means of promotion. There is nothing encyclopedic about this article that is currently worth saving VViking_TalkEdits 14:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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List of anthropogenic disasters by death toll

List of anthropogenic disasters by death toll (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This whole article is one long mess, which if you look at the talk page has been very contentious for years. It's heavily biased in many ways and doesn't appear to have any clear rules regarding what is actually included. It describes itself as a list of events with a "measurable drop in human population" yet also contains many events with as few as 40 deaths, and repeats itself at multiple points, such as listing "Various Fascist/Marxist leaders" as distinct events along with each major leader as a unique event. All in all this article is unnecessary, as it contains nothing that is not duplicated on other better articles such as List of wars by death toll. I fully believe WP:TNT applies here. CoconutOctopus talk 13:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. It is entirely WP:SYNTH, and redundant to such lists as List of wars by death toll that provide more detail than you can get from two numbers and their geometric mean (which is not properly justified by what I can acess from Ref. ). The list also improperly adds figures with varying precision as if they were exact. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:09, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

List of Indian prime ministerial firsts

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WP:NOTTRIVIA, does not meet WP:LISTN. Along the same lines as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States vice presidential firsts. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 13:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per lack of capacity for reasonable WP:SELCRIT. On this day, the Indian prime minister became the first in history to eat a donut which contained a jam filling and brown sprinkles before 9am on the 2nd day of february while wearing a yellow turban... BrigadierG (talk) 21:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Anthony Akinwunmi Richards

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There are no enough reliable sources to establish WP:PRODUCER. Ibjaja055 (talk) 12:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: He wrote a book which is currently used as a text/guidebook at the study centre in PAU, this should help him pass WP:NAUTHOR 4c or thereabout. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Enterprise Group (Ghana)

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This company does not meet any notability requirement. In the article's current form, all sources are primary and there is nothing out there to indicate notability per before search Ednabrenze (talk) 08:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete References are purely promotional. Unlikely notability could ever be established. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 12:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep The company is a member of the GSE Composite Index, so WP:LISTED probably applies here. A search on a News Ghana returns a few dozen articles about the company. Brandon (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

  The search result you presented all come from a single source which is News Ghana and seems to be unreliable news website. At the bottom of all their articles they ask people to send in their news stories to a Gmail address. Which reliable media organisation uses such an email server? Besides, some of the articles about the subject published by the source (News Ghana) you presented are also attributed to GNA (Ghana News Agency) indicating that the articles are syndicated sponsored posts. Over all, the source you presented is not reliable and lacking in editorial oversight as it seems incapable to source its own news stories. Ednabrenze (talk) 06:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

  You will have to forgive me as I am not an expert on media in Ghana. A similar search on the Daily Graphic (Ghana) returns similar results. Same with Business and Financial Times. Are there specific Ghanaian news sources you'd consider reliable? Brandon (talk) 07:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Though the sources are promotional, that does not mean it is notable. You say you did a before search, but somehow when I search it up I am able to find numerous different sources establishing notability. — 48JCL 23:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Ľubomír Bajtoš

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Another long-unsourced stub regarding a Slovak men's footballer who played a total of 47 minutes before suddenly disappearing in 1999. SME might be the best reliable secondary source that mentions his name, but it's only in an image caption which does not count towards significant coverage. Article fails WP:GNG overall. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment. The article is from ye olden times and is not satisfactory with current guidelines. The false information about 47 minutes is a misinterpretation of 47 matches in the Czechoslovak First League, and he did of course have a longer career before and after that even though WorldFootball has not recorded it. But someone has to have recorded something in order to have a Wikipedia article. This piece is an overview of his career. It's a good start, and there are more in pre-Internet media, but I don't know how to find it. Geschichte (talk) 11:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. That article linked by Geschichte appears in the Czech-language version of the page. It is a good start. The link from Clariniie suggests he played in European competitions in the 1994–95 season on top of the league matches. Sources likely exist. I was able to find details of his performances in the Czechoslovak First League: 1990–91 season, 1991–92 season (didn't play), 1992–93 season for 42 appearances and 6 goals. Will add more if I am unable to uncover further sources. C679 15:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

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International Anarchist Congresses

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In a previous iteration of this article, it consisted of a list of various different congresses held by different organisations with little tying them together but the broad "anarchist" label. That list was recently dynamited by Czar, leaving nothing but a contextless list of congresses of the International Workingmen's Association, which I don't think have ever been described as "anarchist congresses" in any sources (the IWMA consisted of various different socialist tendencies, not just anarchists). As this article would, at best, be a random list of various, disconnected congresses for different disconnected organisations; and as it is utterly worthless in its current state, I'm recommending the article be deleted. Grnrchst (talk) 11:08, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• There might be a case for creating a list of anarchist congresses but we'd have to do some digging for sourcing. Or that might be a better job for a category. czar 13:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Since there's useful stuff in the page history and the topic is broadly notable we should be avoiding deletion if possible. A list is better than a category in this case, I think, since the entries will need more context to be useful (as noted by nom, the current state of the article isn't useful because it lacks that context). We also have a lot of incoming links here. Even in this extremely reduced state, it does at least have some "see also" that are relevant to the topic at hand. I agree with czar that it's not great to have unsourced sections hanging around forever, but I think deleting the whole thing is an unnecessary amount of TNT. -- asilvering (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

  Speaking of incoming links, @czar, a bunch of the links aim at one of the sections you TNT'd. I think we might be able to source at least a skeleton of this to Skirda - but is there an easier way to search in the "what links here" results that I'm missing? I'd like to find the ones that redirect to a particular section without having to scroll through hundreds of results. -- asilvering (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

  Special:WhatLinksHere/International_Anarchist_Congresses showed the redirects and the sections they targeted. I cleaned up a bunch that should have been pointing to Anti-authoritarian International article sections. czar 18:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

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Firmex

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Fails WP:NCORP. Tristancr (talk) 12:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Marc Douglas Berardo

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None of the sources here are ones I know to be reliable, and most appear to be small/local coverage. Nothing else here suggests an NBAND pass. One of his albums is already up for a separate AfD as well. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 12:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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No Depression is reliable source. It is a highly respected music magazine. MarySue Twohy is program director at Sirius XM. Folk Dj is a international organization with a radio station It's part of Folk Alliance International. I believe he meets the criteria for having a single on national music chart if you consider Folk Alliance International https://www.folkradio.org/ Currently his new record is currently #24 on this chart. Two of his vidoes for singles were reviewed by Americana Highways, another respectable music publication although they are not listed in this article. The festivals that he won or was finalist are national competitions Lyle Lovett and Nanci Griffith were finalists at Kerrville. Most of the other references such as who he performed with were added to support a statement as being true. I agree it needs to be updated, but I not deleted. Performer Research (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think Folk Alliance International would be considered a valid chart as I would assume it falls under SINGLEVENDOR. No Depression should be reliable and Americana Highways is as far as I know (bit surprised to see neither listed at RSMUSIC), but it's still a bit limited. This could be turned around though. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

It would also help if you could link to the Americana Highways articles and any others you bring up that aren't already present. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Hubertus van der Vaart

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Have carried out WP:BEFORE for this unreferenced article about a businessperson, and not found independent, reliable sources to add. I don't think he meets WP:GNG, WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE or WP:ANYBIO. Tacyarg (talk) 11:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Sexual Chocolate

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There are no Wikipedia pages by this title to disambiguate. Gjs238 (talk) 11:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - Originally a DAB someone created for their favorite person. None of the current listings therein are pertinent enough to be here. — Maile (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, absolutely no reason to keep a DAB with no pages linked. CoconutOctopus talk 14:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  but its funny : 64.35.198.163 (talk) 22:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Celebrations4u

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All the sources mentioned in the article are part of regular brand promotions/ interviews/ PRs. No significant coverage from independent sources. Fails GNG Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 10:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: fails WP:NCORP. Charlie (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

List of Vietnam Airlines destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP.

Specifically this is a catalogue of the services of a company and as such is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". This is essentially an article entirely about run-of-the-mill announcements about services from a company, the equivalent of an article trying to list the locations of all Burger Kings or Pizza Huts. Any information that is not simply run-of-the-mill is already included at the Vietnam Airlines article.

Other headings under WP:NOT that are failed include WP:NOTTRIVIA (since this is a listing of rapidly-changing temporary company services that can change on a scale of days/weeks), WP:IINFO (since this is an indiscriminate effort to provide a complete listing of all services offered by a company regardless of significance, instead of summarising them), WP:PROMO (since this is effectively an advert for the company's services based on sources controlled ultimately by the company), WP:NOR (since this is the compiling of a list of company services to state things not stated in the original sources - for example that services to Russia are terminated now because they were suspended in 2022, or that services to Tegel were previously operated when the source only says that Tegel is now shut, and more broadly that all of these services are operating now when the sources are only true for the date they were published), WP:NOTGUIDE (since this is effectively a travel guide), WP:NOTNEWS (since this appears to be an attempt to create a list of up-to-the-minute services offered by the company), and WP:CRYSTAL (since nearly every announcement used discusses plans to start doing something in the future, and since dates in the future are included - for example announcements for October 2024).

WP:NCORP is also failed. Most of the listings here are unsourced, and realistically cannot be sourced from anywhere but the company website, press-releases, company spokespeople, or other sources controlled by the company, meaning that it automatically fails WP:ORGIND, because this information cannot be obtained from a source independent of the company.

That this is true can be seen from the sources provided in the article. Going through these one-by-one we get:

1. The Vietnam Airlines website
2. A Saigon Times article about a government announcement about restructuring of the airline that does not mention any destinations
3. A profile in industry-press based entirely on information from the airline
4. The Vietnam Airlines website
5. An industry-press article based on a company press-release
6. A local news story based on a company press-release
7. A link to the Berlin airport website saying that Tegel airport has been shut down - the conclusion that Vietnam airlines ever flew here is not supported and basically OR
8. An announcement about future plans in industry press, with comments from the CEO of Munich airport who are obviously also not independent of the airline as they are a business-partner of theirs
9. An announcement in government-controlled press about flights to India, since Vietnam Airlines is state-owned and managed by a board appointed by the government this is not independent
10. Announcements from the company about future plans relayed via Aeroroutes, which is a blog/industry press, and also not significant coverage since it so short
11. Another Aeroroutes link regarding future plans
12. A short Reuters piece about flights to Moscow being suspended in 2022 based on an announcement in Vietnamese state-owned press - not significant coverage of the topic of the destinations since it is so short and is anyway not reliably and independently sourced. Additionally this does not support the statement that flights are terminated now in 2024 so this is OR.
13. Another brief Aeroroutes link about future plans
14. A Condé Nast travel-magazine article based on a statement from the Vietnam Airlines CEO. Whilst other sources are also quoted in the article, all of these sources ultimately track back to Vietnam Airlines - the Airline Geeks article (industry press/blog) is sourced to a company press release, the Vietnam+ article is sourced to statements by the CEO, the Twitter source is from Vietnam Airlines Twitter account. There is no independent reporting here.
    

As a list split from a larger article, this still needs to have stand-alone notability per WP:AVOIDSPLIT, but it clearly does not since it fails the relevant notability guide for company products and services (WP:NCORP). FOARP (talk) 10:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Centaur (Dungeons & Dragons)

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AfD'ed in 2007 and 2016 (both closed as keep), I closed the 2020 AfD as "delete", the article was later draftified but then moved back to main space without much change nearly 3 years later. My WP:G4 speedy nomination was declined with the note "this may yet need to face a 3rd AfD". WP:Notability per WP:GNG is still in question. This article should either be fully and officially be re-accepted in WP's D&D coverage including being listed in Template:D&D topics, or be re-deleted. – sgeureka ^t•c 10:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep based on the sources added to the article since the last AFD, but failing that merge to Centaurs in popular culture. BOZ (talk) 11:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Centaurs in popular culture - The non-primary sourced material is extremely minimal, being largely either the same very obvious "Centaurs are based on mythological Centaurs" statement that was deemed insufficient in the last AFD, or a couple of sentences in what are essentially game guides. Some are literally just one-sentence mentions stating that "Centaurs are half-horse", making this look like a case of WP:REFBOMBING. There is nothing to indicate that the D&D specific version of centaurs either pass the WP:GNG, nor are any more notable than any of the other entries in the Centaurs in popular culture list that would justify making the existing entry any longer. Rorshacma (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect per Rorshacma; once the excessive details from D&D handbooks is discounted, there is not enough coverage for a separate article. Walsh90210 (talk) 15:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  If one accepts (and obviously many do not) that the topic is 'centaur', then the D&D sources are themselves non-trivial reliable sources independent of 'centaur' as a topic. Now, that may take a bit to wrap one's mind around, but centaur is a public domain concept, used in plenty of contemporary fiction and entertainment media. Why is what Gary Gygax & co. wrote problematic, but what Rick Riordan wrote acceptable? It is nothing more than an artifact of how the topic of 'centaur' is split up into multiple articles. Jclemens (talk) 22:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  If there's an article on centaurs in Rick Riordan's books, I would presumably vote to redirect that as well. I don't see how "D&D didn't invent centaurs" is supposed to prove "D&D handbooks are independent coverage of the topic of centaurs in D&D". Walsh90210 (talk) 22:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep based on the small coverage in book sources + more extensive sources in various web article like this one, which do provide commentary on their relevance. Failing that, merge to Centaurs in popular culture - there is new content now not present at the target, and I plan to add some more. Daranios (talk) 15:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - That article is simply a summary of the information about Centaurs taken directly from Mythic Odysseys of Theros, and offers no actual commentary or analysis. It is simply a summary of the official information presented in the book. The same goes for this article, which is the only other one in the search that provides more than minor coverage - its simply summarizing the exact content from the official book, without a single bit of commentary or analysis. Rorshacma (talk) 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep this is yet another iteration of the prejudice against game content in mythical creatures articles. The topic of this is article 'centaur', not 'centaurs in Dungeons & Dragons' but is maintained in a separate article due to SIZE and other considerations. Merging it all (not "delete by calling it a merge and eventually deleting all of the content") to Centaur would be most appropriate, but failing that, keeping it as a separate article focusing on the game aspect of the same topic is appropriate. Jclemens (talk) 16:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Centaurs get their own heading in Keith Ammann's The Monsters Know What They're Doing, which in combination with the content already in the article is good enough for me. Someone might want to add content from TMKWTD, though. BD2412 T 17:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Apna Jobs

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No notability, fails NCORP, promo. Sources are not reliable. Old-AgedKid (talk) 10:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Delete obviously corporate promotion, possibly using paid news? Dazzling4 (talk) 17:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

EPACK Prefab

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Promotional company page, fails WP:NCORP. Trivial sources only. Old-AgedKid (talk) 09:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Julian Adyeri Omalla

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not notable per WP ANYBIO guidelines. Possible original research and WP Resume. Old-AgedKid (talk) 09:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Aave Protocol

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Not notable per sources' evaluation. Some sources are crypto-related websites. Bloomberg and TechCrunch coverage does not fulfill WP requirements. Old-AgedKid (talk) 09:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hayate Usui

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this article about a martial artist, and added two references, though one is a passing mention. I do not think Usui meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO or WP:NMMA. Tacyarg (talk) 08:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Geoffrey Girard

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Appears to fail WP:GNG & WP:NAUTHOR. Most sources were either WP:INTERVIEWS or simply do not establish notability. Did not find any independent reliable sources. The article itself is very promotional, and was majorly written by individuals using SPAs with a COI that are closely tied to the subject. If article is kept, it will need a major rewrite. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 08:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. Girard's works are reviewed a number of times in Publishers Weekly (link to all the reviews, plus an interview with him), Booklist (links 1 and 2, but there are more), Library Journal (link) and Kirkus Reviews (search results). And that's barely scratching the reviews of his fiction out there. In addition, the nonfiction book he wrote with Thomas Lockley, African Samurai: The True Story of Yasuke, has been reviewed in the Washington Post, The Houston Chronicle, Library Journal, Booklist, and a large number of other places. Finally, Girard has an entry in Contemporary Authors. This author so easily meets the WP:Author notability guidelines that I wonder if a search for reviews and coverage was even done.--SouthernNights (talk) 12:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

2024 Los Angeles County shootings

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This shooting does not appear to have drawn any sustained coverage outside of local routine coverage. Fails WP:NEVENT, particularly WP:LASTING. ~ Pbritti (talk) 07:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Please consider the fact that because this happened in the United States events like these are quickly removed from the news cycle. Raskuly (talk) 07:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Delete. For exactly that reason events like these are not automatically notable. Athel cb (talk) 08:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: as per above Lordseriouspig 09:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Please consider doing this to other articles on the List of mass shootings in the United States article then since this article's deletion seems inevitable at this point right after you had my other article deleted. Raskuly (talk) 10:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Note categories at the bottom of the article, and the navbox that has five years of shootings around the United States. Why delete this one, and keep all the rest? I'm surprised there is not a Wikipedia project for this subject. — Maile (talk) 13:02, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Those other shootings have sustained coverage because of their notable elements beyond the fact that multiple people were injured or killed (a tragic but non-notable event). For example, this shooting that I remember happening near me a few years ago achieved nationwide sustained coverage beyond ROUTINE due to the shooter's radicalization. ~ Pbritti (talk) 14:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

    Then could an argument in favor of keeping this article be that this is an instance of gang-related violence in which the targets were apparent random individuals? Raskuly (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

    Not unless this incident was characterized as notable for that reason and the incident received sustained coverage. Most smaller mass shootings (4–8 victims) do not meet this threshold. ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

    I guess something that is similar to what you mean would be the 2022 Sacramento shooting. Raskuly (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Delete: I agree, it never got national coverage, and so fails WP:NEVENT Carson004 (talk) 18:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

SMK TTDI Jaya

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Article does not satisfy Wikipedia's general notability guidelines (see WP:GNG.) The school already has an article in Malay Wikipedia so an English one would be unnecessary. N niyaz (talk) 07:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge: We should not delete the article on SMK TTDI Jaya. Yes, there is a parallel in another Wikipedia edition. Yet, each language edition has distinct readers and needs. The English version fails WP:GNG due to a lack of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. In that case, it may be suitable to merge the English content into a broader article about schools in the region. Or, we can draftify it until we find more sources. This approach respects the need for information on other language Wikipedias. It also maintains the quality and notability standards of English Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstridMitch (talk • contribs) 07:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment ms:Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan TTDI Jaya is the other article; unfortunately it is completely unsourced. Walsh90210 (talk) 15:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Joseph James Nantomah

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Life coach, serial entrepreneur, but I don't see any significant independent coverage. The only articles I see are praising the guy's amazing skills in his voice. BrigadierG (talk) 09:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Sourced to advertorial/puff pieces.-KH-1 (talk) 03:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Not sure this is Wikipedia material. There aren't any real news articles or anything - just self-promotion. Waqar💬 15:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: I have previously commented about policing of tone in sources from Africa and lack of WPBEFORE but I will assume good faith due to the plethora of interviews out there and give atleast reliable three sources that discusses the subject independently.
  • Mojisoluwa, Felix Ayodele (16 January 2022). "Financial Literacy: Master Key To Gateway Of Financial Breakthroughs". New Telegraph. Retrieved 6 July 2024.
  • Agbo, Juliana (13 July 2022). "THE GREAT MIGRATION: Exploring The Surge in Nigerians Moving Overseasin the Past Decade". Vanguard. Retrieved 6 July 2024.
  • Ibeh, Ifeanyi (2 December 2020). "Joseph Nantomah's Journey: Poverty as a Catalyst for Financial Breakthrough". The Guardian. Retrieved 6 July 2024.

These three sources are not included in the article. Best, Reading Beans 10:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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Delete We have independent coverage requirements to pass notability, and I don't see it on these sources. The links in the article, as well as the additional links suggested by @Reading Beans do read as if they were pulled by a self-penned biography package. If you look at the PM News article from a certain angle it looks like independent reporting, possibly just paraphrasing/rewriting but more of an editorial effort. Oblivy (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Oblivy, I usually and always disapprove of badgering of !votes but what is the proof of the non-independency of these sources? The tone? I just want to naively believe that it’s the tone. But is it? Best, Reading Beans 14:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

It's the way the articles just say things about him, often things that only he would know or which would be difficult to track down. And doing so without any of the the curiosity or skepticism or contextualization one might expect from an independent journalistic exercise. Oblivy (talk) 00:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This may sound WP:OR but there are a lot, I mean, a lot interviews out there. Do you prefer I cite interviews (which I think is where these informations were actually gotten)? As I said earlier, we always make a mistake of judging sources from Africa with Western standards. Best, Reading Beans 09:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

For the information, I am from Nigeria. Best, Reading Beans 09:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

If you have other sources that qualify for WP:GNG feel free to add them or cite them here. I had a look at each of the existing sources, plus the ones you selected above, and made my vote based on what I saw - a bunch of puff pieces and an article announcing he got an honorary degree from an unaccredited college. This has nothing to do with misapplying Western standards. Oblivy (talk) 09:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Sometimes we follow the content of the article, which most often appears promotional though can be cleaned easily. Others will leave WP:GNG, and rush to additional criteria that can presume notability. However, this context presents a good narrative of the subject. It's also unfortunate that this generation will neglect someone being a migration officer (formed word) or copy writer, but in the olden days, we see people being that and still appear on sources like the current generation. No matter the promotional (which I don't seem to find) contents in he article, it doesn't depict the fact of being notable, or treated in multiple independent sources. I first was following the discussion especially when it found this article by Vanguard as a well written non advertorial source, and it prompted me reading others. Here is my conclusion, the three Nigerian sources are all reliable per WP:NGRS, and is very satisfiable for WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: The subject has received coverage in multiple reliable sources, including the ones posted here by RB. The article meets WP:GNG, and sources are fine from here. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: Reason for notability seems unclear in the article. Additionally, the sources are questionable in my mind. For example, the first source has a banner asking people to join their Whatsapp group and the third and fourth sources have links to their Whatsapp group. The The third and fourth sources also link to the same website, tribuneonlineng.com. The method of contacting pmnewsnigeria.com, the second source, is a Google Form, which seems unprofessional for an independent news site. Ternera (talk) 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  If you think Nigerian national dailies should not be cited, you should state so. Most news outlets do this in Nigeria (as a way of driving traffic) but this does not affect their editorial policy. If you have any issues save for this, please, let me know. Best, Reading Beans 19:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

List of surnames in Russia

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List of surnames in Russia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Hopelessly indiscriminate/random/subjective collection: here says they found 380 thousand different surnames in Russia, of which core of 14 thousand surnames are used by 70% of the population... And with a misleading title: it lists only east slavic surnames, while there are plethora non-slavic people in Russia from the times of Russian Empire and Soviet Union: not a single surname ending in -shvili and only one ending in -dze, no one ending in -yan/-ian i.e., Georgian surnames and Armenian surnames are thoroughly not represented. In is poorly maintained: I removed a couple obviously hoax (OK, mayby typos by nonslavic editors; AGF to them). Even slavic surnames are far from being complete: I immediately failed to find the surnames of my favorite writers: Ilf, Strugatsky, Nabokov Akunin, Zoshchenko, Bulychev, as well as other well known surnames Schmidt/Shmidt, Goldfarb, no Zeitlin/Tseitlin/Tseytlin, good thing there is Abramovich :-) ; there are Tkachenko and Tkachyov, but no Tkachuk. For some reason there are both Pelevin and Pelyovin listed, but there are hundreds of other e/yo spelling variants missing ..... And so on, and so for. - Altenmann >talk 05:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Delete lists of this size are far too unwieldy for WP:LISTPURP-NAV to to be a good argument for keeping. Although the list topic itself undoubtedly meets WP:NLIST, I think this is WP:NOTDIRECTORY and so should be deleted. BrigadierG (talk) 20:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Alameda Council

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WP:NORG and WP:ORGIND fail. If a suitable target can be found, it could be re-directed as suggested for WP:BRANCH, although this article certainly does not merit standalone Graywalls (talk) 05:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - Agree with OP.

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Men's Folio

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May not meet WP:NMAGAZINE and WP:GNG. Unable to find significant coverage of the publication. Article is supported by sole subject's About us page at the time of nomination. Article was dratified and then subsequently moved back to mainspace by the article creator. – robertsky (talk) 05:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Ilya Syrovatko

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Does not meet verifiability guidelines per WP:SPORTSPERSON. 333fortheain (talk) 04:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment Does not fail WP:V thanks to various databases, but an article cannot be built on databases only. Geschichte (talk) 12:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep. The article needs to add more information and sources. Passes WP:SIGCOV, it’s easy to find reliable secondary sources in Russian that talk about his career and personal life [34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42] Tau Corvi (talk) 15:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete article lacks in sources and in any information. The sources i found, including the ones presented by @Tau Corvi (Thank you for providing those) are, in my opinion, not enough to prove notability as per WP:SPORTCRIT - those are just narration of transfers, some tabloid coverage and game results. Vorann Gencov (talk) 15:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Lacks notability and reliable sources, the article does not meet Wikipedia's standards and therefore should be deleted. Yakov-kobi (talk) 13:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Franco Pillarella

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. He gets a mere 3 google news hits and article is unreferenced. His involvement with Maher Arar can be covered in that article. The 2 CBC news articles quoted at end are dead. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 04:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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Divedapper

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Draftification was undone so I'm bringing it to AfD. Both the sources used in the article and the sources found online as part of WP:BEFORE are uniquely interviews with the founder, with no sign of independent notability. In particular, WP:ORGCRITE is not met because of the lack of secondary sources. I suggest a Merge or Redirect to Kaveh Akbar as WP:ATD. Broc (talk) 05:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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  It is not correct that "sources found online as part of WP:BEFORE are uniquely interviews with the founder." Only three out of the eight sources are, and those are interviews with NPR, The Indianapolis Star, and a student newspaper of Butler University, each focused on a festival organized by Divedapper.

  It is also incorrect that "WP:ORGCRITE is not met because of the lack of secondary sources." In fact, all of the sources used are independent and third-party sources. None run afoul of WP:NIS. For them to be "primary sources," that would indicate that Divedapper owns or has financial or legal interests or ties to these sources. Nothing I find in my research suggests so.

  Can the page Divedapper be improved upon? Absolutely. As can any other page. What has no basis in facts is the notion that it fails to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.

  If it does fail to meet any criteria, one would expect a proper notification to that effect. Instead, Broc commented out the magazine's logo and did not state that he did so in the Edit Summary, which I found suspect and led me to conclude some bad faith at work. I took a look at their Talk page and found that they had used such "unorthodox" --- their own words --- methods before and a User had complained about it. In that case, Broc moved an article to AfD; but when there was no consensus, Broc voted "Keep," and then draftified the article. A User described the move as "misleading." In response, Broc wrote: "I understand I might have bent the rules of the process a bit." If all editors bent Wikipedia rules at will, then the purpose of the site is defeated.

  "Misleading" and "bending the rules of the process a bit" are descriptions I'd use for Broc as it concerns Divedapper. I'd very much prefer for things to be done in the right manner. I'd say "Keep." LityNerdyNerd (talk) 16:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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Kirill Ilinski

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Fails WP:BIO. Despite looking like a lot of sources, 16 of the 32 sources are simply scientific articles by the subject. Google news comes up with 1 hit. And the company he founded Fusion Asset Management is up for deletion. LibStar (talk) 04:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• delete no independent notability. 16 footnotes by himself and most of the rest is vrom his company. - Altenmann >talk 16:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Herald Froy

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Invalid DAB: (1) two items only (2) none of potential targets defines it - Altenmann >talk 04:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: not mentioned in either of the linked articles, so nothing to support existence of the dab entries. PamD 07:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Julie Marie

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Another bad, short compound given name list created by banned editor Neelix. The two articles, contrary to what it lists, are actually titled Julie Vinter Hansen and Julie Berman. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. Walsh90210 (talk) 05:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

  Striking my vote as it was about an article at a different title with different contents, and the rationale no longer applies. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:16, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete undesirable namecruft failing WP:INDISCRIMINATE. We do have one non-redirect page starting with Julie Marie, Julie Marie Wade, as well as two hyphenated ones. Geschichte (talk) 12:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep I've replaced the two given/middle name entries with Julie-Marie Parmentier and Julie-Marie Strange, which do seem to be valid compound names. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 19:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping User:Geschichte and User:Walsh90210 if they'd like to reconsider their vote. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 19:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

• Withdraw nomination. Sacre bleu (it), on top of zat, I will create have created Marie-Julie. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep This shouldn't have been moved out of process, however. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 07:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Why not? The only two entries are both hyphenated. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 01:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep after fix. - Altenmann >talk 04:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• I still think this is somewhat unnecessary, but as the person who saved the entry (!) with new names I don't see a point in arguing for deletion. Geschichte (talk) 08:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Why are this discussion still open? I withdrew the nomination already, and there's a clear consensus anyway. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

CEFR companion volume

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The article does not meet WP:GNG and is poorly written. Notaoffensivename (talk) 02:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• merge into CEFR what is referenced (80% is unreferenced or irrelevant). 04:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Bratislava New Generation-Day FM Festival

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Not a notable music festival. Appears to have been a one-night, one-off event. Walsh90210 (talk) 00:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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• delete noi evidence of noitability, abandoned article. - Altenmann >talk 04:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Dialogue in writing

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This article is basically a textbook entry providing tips on writing dialogue for fiction. I believe it violates Wikipedia's "Not a Textbook" guideline. [43]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bull Goose Loony (talk • contribs) 18:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep – This is as valid a concept as any of the other articles listed at Dialogue (disambiguation).—Anita5192 (talk) 01:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep - The article was butchered in the past, instead of adding refs. even referenced pieces were deleted. Because it looked like "how-to". But there are quite a few encyclopedic issues lost, such as "purpose of dialogue" (in writing), which are readily found in books, e.g., here or here, etc.. - Altenmann >talk 04:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. As it stands the information in this article is mainly trivial and obvious, but if it can be improved along the lines implied by Altenmann then why not keep it? There are numerous points that are not discussed, of which here are two: in a longish dialogue between two people how often do readers need to be reminded which one applies to a given comment? There is no mention of punctuation. Athel cb (talk) 08:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

William J. Callahan

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Not all senior government officials are notable enough to justify a WP article. Mentions of Callahan in WP:RS are WP:TRIVIAL related to his WP:ROUTINE job duties and not WP:SIGCOV focused on Callahan that would establish his notability. Longhornsg (talk) 01:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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MagicTracer

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This piece of paid software does not meet the WP:GNG as it lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Does not meet WP:NSOFT either, although that is just an essay. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Skwatta Kamp

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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC with no notable discography or chart activity, while their "numerous awards" mentioned in article include only two regional ones. Article has been a poorly-sourced stub since its 2015 creation, and searches turn up the usual niche sites (YouTube, Bandcamp, Genius, et al.) or stories about member deaths. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 00:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and South Africa. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Ainer Cleve

Ainer Cleve (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5 (Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources.")

I created the article in 2020 when the old WP:NGRIDIRON presumed notability for NFL players -- we have database sources showing that Cleve appeared in 19 NFL games as a back and end from 1921-1924. When the presumption was reversed, User:Hey man im josh correctly tagged the article due to the need for additional sources. I thought that someone who appeared in 19 NFL games would have WP:SIGCOV, but my follow-up searches in 2022 didn't find any. I searched again today but didn't find anything rising to the level of SIGCOV. (FWIW: I did find some passing references where his given name was listed as "Ainar" [44] and others as "Einar" [45] [46].)

Despite my efforts, the article still does not comply with our guidelines, so it's time for me to throw in the towel -- unless someone can dig up SIGCOV that I've been unable to find. Cbl62 (talk) 00:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Newspapers.com is unavailable and will continue to be unavailable for the vast majority of users (including me) for an unknown amount of time. Could we at the very least draftify this? I can't even search for sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:46, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

No objection to that. Cbl62 (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, American football, and Minnesota. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Draftify per nom and Beanie’s comments above. Beanie and Cbl62 both have a reputation of working very hard to find coverage of lesser-known topics if it’s available, so if either (or both) of them are interested, this is a very reasonable ATD. Worst case is there is no coverage available when newspapers.com is back online and the draft gets abandoned/deleted. Frank Anchor 02:20, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Draftify: Finding sources about Ainer Cleve that meet WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG is proving difficult. This approach would allow more time for research to prove that Cleve is notable (which is better than removing the content from the platform).--AstridMitch (talk) 06:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Taipei Economic and Cultural Center in Chennai

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• Articles for deletion/Taipei Economic and Cultural Center in Chennai
• Articles for deletion/Taipei Economic and Cultural Center in Chennai (2nd nomination)

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Fails WP:ORG. 4 of the 5 sources are primary. Previous AfD was consensus for merge but the article has been recreated. LibStar (talk) 00:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge per previous AFD. Article is essentially unchanged from version previously AFD'd. Yilloslime (talk) 23:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)