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Denmark liberalizing its law

It appears that Denmark is liberalizing its abortion law in multiple ways, including one which would require this article to be edited: It seems that the limit for on-request abortions is about to or has already been moved from 12 weeks to 18 weeks, which would require both the table and the map to be edited to reflect this change. 2600:100A:B1C9:E654:51F0:B875:EFAC:CE3B (talk) 10:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the news. The government only announced an agreement with the political parties, but the parliament will still have to pass a law, and it is expected to enter into force on June 1, 2025.[1] The article and map should be changed only at that time. Heitordp (talk) 16:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s June 1 in Denmark now. Thank you for your work on this article. 2600:100A:B1E3:6D6:52C:BD85:C674:BEC (talk) 23:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The law is expected to enter into force on June 1, 2025. That's a year from now. Heitordp (talk) 00:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry. I guess I just read it wrong because it feels weird they’d delay it for so long. 2600:100A:B1E2:4DC3:C0C0:EF25:DA8B:5D29 (talk) 17:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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the map and legend's colours arent the same, someone should fix it TheLoyalOrder (talk) 22:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheLoyalOrder: The colour codes are exactly the same in the map and legend. Which colours do you think are different? Heitordp (talk) 00:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The colour most of Australia is #3e81ff, none of the legend colours are that TheLoyalOrder (talk) 01:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheLoyalOrder: In this map, the colour of most of Australia is #4080FF, which is the same as the legend for "gestational limit after the first 17 weeks". Heitordp (talk) 05:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm that's weird if I click and open the vector fully its the correct colour but otherwise its wrong. I guess its just some issue with the way wikipedia is showing it in my browser TheLoyalOrder (talk) 05:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abortion in Puebla

https://elpais.com/mexico/2024-07-16/puebla-se-une-a-los-estados-que-han-despenalizado-el-aborto-en-mexico.html

The state of Puebla in Mexico legalized abortion up to 12 weeks of gestation. Mar9112 (talk) 14:22, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mar9112: Thanks for the news. The law still needs to be officially published to enter into force, which is expected in August.[2] The article and map should be updated after that. Heitordp (talk) 15:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what do we do about Jalisco? Should it be on the map? — kwami (talk) 08:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kwamikagami: Jalisco is already shown on the map in purple (allowing abortion, with unclear gestational limit), because the court invalidated the respective section of its penal code and ordered the legislature to change it. Heitordp (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not on the map for Mexico. Didn't know if it should count if the leg hasn't done anything yet; maybe it should if we follow how we treated SSM. — kwami (talk) 18:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abortion in the USA

Hi there, the current lead image for this page seems to differ a lot from the lead image used in the Abortion in the United States article.

I just wanted to know if this image needs to be updated (to reflect on the wide bans amognst US states), or if the current image in the US article needs to be updated to fix these differences.

I am not an expert on US abortion law, so would value any input. It looks like some states, like Texas for example, have banned abortion for most cases, with some exceptions. However, having read about these exceptions, it seems doctors are hesitant to even allow these as the law is vague. Capturing these differences between legal and social reality would be helpful. For example, Texas could be edited so that a red and black lines are present through the state to highlight this complication. Jamzze (talk) 09:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jamzze: The maps are consistent with each other, they just show different aspects at different levels of detail. Neither map needs to be updated.

The map in the article Abortion law shows in which circumstances abortion is allowed: red, orange, brown, pink and yellow for abortion allowed only in certain circumstances (each color represents a different set of circumstances), and blue for abortion allowed merely by the woman's request, also called elective abortion (3 shades of blue representing ranges of gestational limits).

The map in the article Abortion in the United States only shows abortion on request. All states that allow abortion only in certain circumstances, but not on request, are shown in black. This map doesn't differentiate between the circumstances. For the states that allow abortion on request, this map uses 10 colors to represent gestational limits more precisely.

The states in red, orange, brown, pink and yellow in the first map are all black in the second map. The states in dark blue in the first map are purple, pink or red in the second map. The states in medium blue in the first map are various shades of blue in the second map. The states in light blue in the first map are green in the second map.

The law in Texas allows abortion only to save the woman's life, so the map shows it this way. Some doctors may be hesitant in cases where it's uncertain whether the pregnancy really poses a risk to life, but if it does, there is no question that the law allows abortion. So the state shouldn't be shown in black, even if striped. The map only considers the law, not practice, which can be subjective, and it doesn't show stripes for any jurisdiction. For example, the law in Guam allows abortion on request, so it's shown in blue, even though no doctors in Guam perform abortions except to save the woman's life; conversely, the law in Curaçao only allows abortion to save the woman's life, so it's shown in red, even though doctors there normally perform abortions on request. Heitordp (talk) 00:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]