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August 18

Project banner shell

I added one to Talk:Bettina (disambiguation) (per nagging message), but the project isn't showing up. Also, what's the point of adding the shell? (Something unspeakably sinister from the Cabal?) Clarityfiend (talk) 04:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

The shell serves to compact its WikiProject-related content. Yes, it seems to compact Anthroponymy into nothingness; but no loss, I think. I was going to provide an example of how useful such compacting usually is, with an example I expected would be extreme, so visited Talk:Donald Trump. This turns out to have

{{WikiProject banner shell |class=B |living=yes |activepol=yes |collapsed=yes |vital=yes |listas=Trump, Donald |1=
{{WikiProject Donald Trump |importance=Top}}
{{WikiProject United States |importance=Top |USTV=Yes |USTV-importance=Mid |USGov=Yes |USGov-importance=High |USPE=Yes |USPE-importance=Top |USPresidents=Yes |USPresidents-importance=Top}}
{{WikiProject Conservatism |importance=High}}
{{WikiProject New York City |importance=High}}
{{WikiProject Politics |importance=High |American=Yes |American-importance=Top |political-parties=yes |political-parties-importance=High}}
{{WikiProject Business |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Television |importance=Mid}}
{{WikiProject Biography |a&e-work-group=Yes |a&e-priority=Mid |politician-work-group=Yes |politician-priority=Top}}
{{WikiProject 2010s |importance=Top}}
{{WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography |importance=Top}}
}}

-- again, all compacted into visual nothingness, as far as I can see. Odd. But despite the invisibility (to human eyes) of the templates, the talk page is categorized properly. -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Bettina (disambiguation) was missing a pipe after class=list so the WikiProject became part of the class parameter. I don't think disambiguation pages should have that anyway so I removed it.[1] The WikiProjects on Talk:Donald Trump are hard but not impossible to find. You did pick a page with a lot going on. Click "show" at "Other talk page banners" and then "This level-4 vital article ... is of interest to multiple WikiProjects." PrimeHunter (talk) 10:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Please delete my submission

Please help me by deleting my submission or confirming deletion. Thank you. TrinbagoianNetwork (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

The only edit you have resembling a submission was an edit to a sandbox, which has been removed. 331dot (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

How would I make it so that Wikipedia shows the Incubator in the language list?

I don't know how this is done, so I am asking here.
I thought of creating an extension for it, but I can't seem to figure out how Wikidata gets all the possible languages. If I could, then I may be able to create an extension for it. But I don't, so I don't think so.
It doesn't seem like Wikipedia already has this setting, so I'm asking here. Kxeon (talk) 13:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Interwiki links in the sidebar from Wikipedia and Wikidata in general does not work for incubator wikis. See incubator:Help:FAQ. Reconrabbit 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kxeon: Incubator pages can add code to the page itself to display interwiki links on the page. For example, incubator:Wp/iba/Kenyah contains {{INTERWIKI|Q180540}} to display the interwiki links in the Wikidata page Kenyah Dayak (Q180540). However, the iba page is not and cannot be added there so other wikis cannot find it and display an interwiki link to it. wikidata:Help:Sitelinks#Linking to Wikimedia site pages says: "Wikidata currently supports sitelinks for most Wikimedia projects (except Incubator, see phab:T54971)." PrimeHunter (talk) 13:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Looking for an NPOV contributor to clean up article | Music Technology

Hello,

I am currently involved in an ongoing dispute regarding the article on Turntablist Transcription Methodology (a musical notation system for scratching and turntablism).

I have adhered to Wikipedia standards by adding citations and links to support fact-checked content, maintaining a Neutral Point of View (NPOV), and removing unsourced additions. Additionally, I have improved the article’s layout with a clearer timeline to reduce redundancy.

However, another user persistently reverts the article to a version that appears biased and cluttered with uncited information. The central issue revolves around the inclusion of an inventor credit, which is inherently subjective. To uphold NPOV, I have removed all mentions of "inventor" and similar terms.

Despite these efforts, the revert pattern continues without resolution. Could a Wikipedia expert intervene to assist in resolving this issue? Also, under what circumstances could a user be blocked for disregarding Wikipedia standards?

Thank you for your assistance. WikiSkratch2000 (talk) 14:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, WikiSkratch2000. It sounds as if you are asking for some sort of authority figure to come in and rule on a dispute. That is not how we work in Wikipedia. If you are unable to reach consensus with other editors, please look at dispute resolution for the next steps you can take.

See WP:blocking policy for the policy on how blocks are used. ColinFine (talk) 18:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Patrolling article hatnotes?

Is there a way, tool or user role that would let me find article maintenance hatnotes – "more citations need", "written like an ad", etc – and sort them by date?

Reason: I frequently find these tags dated from years ago, that no longer apply to articles that have been significantly edited and improved since. I'd like to remove them when appropriate. Thanks! Tsavage (talk) 15:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tsavage Some templates populate a category which you can look at directly and in other cases you can go to the template page and click on the tool "what links here". So {{More citations needed}} could work like that: but beware it has ~387,000 hits! I prefer to use the external link to WikiProject Cleanup Listings, which I can filter according to my interests. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You can also look at the various subcategories at Category:Articles_needing_cleanup, to see if there are subjects that are of particular interest to you. Valereee (talk) 17:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull @Valereee Thanks. Lots of ways to almost get there, but not quite! If I could see something like "more citations needed" from 2010 and earlier, for example, that would be great. Otherwise, too much clicking through. I suppose a custom database query would be the way. Cheers! Tsavage (talk) 16:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Tsavage You can get that with an insource search. Hence to find those from August 2010 you would use this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wow, cool! Perfect!! And...duh. Can just search for template strings in articles...so simple! Given the number of hits from your example, just "more citations" by month will satisfy my urge to remove for a while. Question, answered! Tsavage (talk) 15:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

How can I apply for university in Wikipedia

hi guys to University of Johannesburg Lino khanyoh (talk) 16:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

You don't, this is an encyclopedia, not a university application site. I suggest contacting that university directly to see how you can apply. 331dot (talk) 16:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Idea

It would be nice, especially when sections are large, to be able to close a section at the end of said section. GordonBombayIII (talk) 17:37, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, GordonBombayIII. Take a look at Template:Discussion top. That may be what you are looking for. Cullen328 (talk) 17:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

No, GordonBombayIII is using the mobile version where level 2 headers usually have an arrow indicating the section can be collapsed/expanded. See e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia#Characteristics. I don't know any way to add this option to the end of a section. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

From the back-end side, it seems like it wouldn't be hard to add a copy of the start-of-section toggle

<span class="mf-icon mf-icon-expand mf-icon--small indicator mf-icon-rotate-flip"> </span>

or something like it to the end of the section, just before the close of the section's </div>. No idea where this is all implemented, and this is just from diving into the page source just now. DMacks (talk) 00:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Changing a Wikimedia Commons image license to a less restrictive one?

Hi, I have several images that I have previously uploaded to Wikimedia Commons under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license. Is it permissible for me to change these to CC BY 4.0 (a less restrictive license)? Thanks! EvanBaldonado (talk) 18:12, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@EvanBaldonado: That is absolutely fine (as long you are the copyright holder, which I assume is the case looking at the images). The original license will still technically also apply, since it cannot be revoked, but that's irrelevant because the new license allows everything the old one did anyways. Tollens (talk) 18:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Yes, I'm the one who took them and am the copyright holder. I just updated them all to add the new licenses alongside the old ones. EvanBaldonado (talk) 21:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

August 19

Bot is marking images for deletion because of non-use, but isn't following the full chain, and there's not a great way to chat about it

A bot is marking images for deletion. On the whole, I think the bot does great work, but it needs an update to account for templates. It marked an image for deletion which I'd uploaded, then sent me a message about it. The only problem is the image is used in a template (so the same image can be used on a main page and also in a summation page), and the bot is apparently just checking the "what links here" and isn't then going to the same "what links here" page for templates which use the image.

The bot talk page specifically asks people not to try to reply there: "Hi, I'm a bot, therefore I cannot respond to your questions. , if you leave a note on my owner, B's talk page, I'm sure he will be able to help you. ..." However, the user talk page states, "I'm largely inactive / 99% retired. There are more important things in life. ..." I am fully in support of that, as I think even a cursory review of my own talk page makes clear. However, I'm not running a bot.

Again, I think the bot is doing great work overall, but it needs to account for templates which use images and then follow that chain through to see why the template exists, or at least what else uses the template. Banaticus (talk) 03:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Banaticus if you read the bot user page it indicates clearly that Please note that under WP:NFCC#9, images used under a claim of fair use are NOT permitted outside of article space. If an image is used only in user space, on a template, in a draft, etc, it is still considered "orphaned".

The bot operations is right. The non-free file cannot be utilised in Template space. – robertsky (talk) 03:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Banaticus. Thinking more broadly (beyond the technical detail Robertsky mentions), I'm concerned that a non-free image in a template is at high risk for use in violation of the NFCC: it is prone to using the template more widely than fair-use allows and makes it hard to keep the image-use rationale tags in sync. For example, fair-use images must not be purely decorative or used in galleries, and therefore virtually never in navboxes either. DMacks (talk) 03:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Banaticus, non-free images are allowed only in articles, not templates, and only when the image fully complies with WP:NFCI. Please use only freely licensed or public domain images in templates. Cullen328 (talk) 04:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

@Banaticus: Which template is this about? Please always identify pages you refer to. The image is not used anywhere currently and I haven't found signs it was used when B-bot nominated it for deletion and notified you 18 August. It was previously used in {{Adventure West Council Infobox}} but another bot removed it 16 August with the correct edit summary "Non-free files are only permitted in articles".[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

It looks like the "Adventure West Council" Boy Scout Council (or whatever we call the Boy Scouts nowadays) has territory in both Nebraska and Colorado. And so an infobox template for this council was added to both Scouting in Nebraska and Scouting in Colorado. So there needs to be an image= parameter in the infobox template and then the image name put only in the page itself, rather than hardcoding the image in the template. (I'm not offering an opinion on whether it's appropriate to have council shoulder patches in an infobox for each council within a state article - I'm just saying that this is the method that would not run afoul of WP:NFCC#9. If an image is embedded in a template, bots will - correctly - continue to remove it and tag it as orphaned.) --B (talk) 12:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Following from thst B said, I find it hard to believe that this use meets the criterion 8: "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding" from the WP:NFCC. ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Question about non-traditional sources

I want to edit the page for DuPage County, Illinois to reference how it has been officially referred to as Du Page county (two words), specifically on the NCEI Storm Events database. This is an official US government website, but the alternative spelling isn't given any particular weight and both spellings are used when selecting the county zone, which tells me this isn't a mistake. Does this work as a reliable source as is, or should I keep looking for another source? GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn’t use that source to say it has “officially” been referred to with two words, but you could add (and cite) and note to the lede: “also spelled Du Page…” BhamBoi (talk) 06:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from Aubrey.eliza

I have noticed some vandalism at Park Street Church. Namely, individuals are updating language on a present controversy with untrue or biased facts. They are using posts from a blog as a reference. At this moment, it claims "public sharing of internal documents describing spiritual abuse" (the "internal document" in question was a memo from the fired associate minister, and after three rounds of both internal and external investigation, no abuse has been found) and uses biased language such as "only" 2/3 members. Additionally, convoluted language claiming "a majority of congregants rejecting the assertion that Mark Booker is not disqualified from ministry" is confusing. A simple sentence would be that a majority of congregants assert that Mark Booker is disqualified from ministry, and this is untrue.

( Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Aubrey.eliza (talk) 14:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

People at the Help Desk will not normally get involved in a content dispute. Please follow the procedure in disute resolution, which begins with opening open a discussion with the other editors on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 15:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

That was supposed to be dispute resolution. ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Linkspam

An editor (not an IP user) is adding a link to the "See also" section in a rather low-profile article, Racetrack (game), about a certain pen-and-paper game. It's a link to a sourceforge project (and, in the present version, a few other links too); I suppose it's possible to download and install a computer-playable version of the game via the link. However, the sourceforge project has no information relevant to the subject that adds anything to the article. I believe policy is that we do not have this sort of links in "See also" (or elsewhere). In Chess, we have link to e.g. ChessBase, but I believe that is because

1. the article covers chess technology as well as the physical board game itself;
2. ChessBase does in fact have load of info that adds to the wikipedia article.

The editor has added the link a total of 17 times over 4 months, and has been reverted as many times (mostly, but not exclusively, by me). The user has essentially made no other edits on Wikipedia. I am aware that this regrettably has taken on the character of edit warring (but afaik the 3rr rule applies to muliple changes over a much shorter timespan). I have not succeeded in engaging the user on the talk page, user talk page, or through edit summaries.

So, am I wrong that the link shouldn't be there, and if not, what can I do? Should I request some sort of page protection, or an edit ban on the user? How does one do that sort of thing? (I have made about 7500 edits to en.wikipedia.org over a 20-year period, but I have never considered that sort of action before.) Nø (talk) 16:08, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:ONUS stipulates that the user repeatedly adding the disputed content must generate consensus for inclusion, but at absolute minimum the sourceforge link would belong in subheading External links, not See also, which is exclusively for internal links to mainspace. A pblock would probably be the route to technical enforcement if the user cannot be persuaded to stop and no one else agrees the link is appropriate to include. Folly Mox (talk) 16:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! The link has actually at various points been added to either "See also" or "External links". I've now created a block request to the best of my ability. Nø (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

My utube video views is not increase please help

my utube video views is not increase please help Nighatomer (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Nighatomer, this has nothing to do with editing Wikipedia. You will have to contact YouTube. Cullen328 (talk) 18:11, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

mdkawshar1

Kawshardowanekawshar mdkawshar1 01615031192 2404:1C40:BB:794B:1:0:5F6D:AC73 (talk) 18:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello. What is your question about editing Wikipedia? Are you perhaps user @Mdkawshar1, not logged in? ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Citing multiple chapters

Is there a policy for citing several chapters in one book where each chapter has a different author? Currently, I'm working on a page and found an excellent source with one editor and each chapter has an expert address the topic at length. I will be citing the book several times, but I'm uncertain how best to handle the References section. Right now I'm doing the following, but I have absolutely no idea if this follows policy appropriately:

• {{cite book}} – Editor only entered here, link to full book (open access through publisher)
  • {{cite book}} again – Author entered here, editor entered again, probably just linking chapter again
  • {{cite book}} again – Author 2, ibid, ibid.

Is this appropriate? Is there a better way of doing that? Should I just cite the editor only and let the reader actually go to the book? Any help appreciated! ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

{{harvc}} is intended for this purpose as a stepping stone between {{sfn}} and {{cite book}}. Perhaps it will serve for you.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you so much! ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

USS Kidd (DD-661) page

I made some edits concerning her current location and how she is at dock currently, and I was wondering if Y'all could just make it look better. 2600:8807:3C01:6900:7106:76C6:2ACE:6CB (talk) 23:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you be more clear on what you think is wrong? One thing I notice is no citation for what you added. See WP:REFB Also, the lede should be a summary of what is in the main part of the article. RudolfRed (talk) 23:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Just add citations and sources, as idk how to do that, and make it sound more professional if it doesnt already. heavily appreciated 2600:8807:3C01:6900:7106:76C6:2ACE:6CB (talk) 01:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

No, IP user: if you want to add information to an article, it is your responsibility to find the sources. That is the part of editing that takes the work, and it is unreasonable to expect somebody else to go looking. Note that if you cannot find a reliably published source for the information, then the information does not belong in a Wikipedia article. ColinFine (talk) 10:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

August 20

The previous Wikipedia

Wikiwand has taken over my laptop so that I can no longer access the Wikipedia "Did you know" and the other three sections on the Main Page. What has happened? How can I get to view those four sections, please? Garrymo (talk) 01:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Garrymo: Wikiwand is not affiliated with Wikipedia as far as I can tell. You will need to ask that company for help. RudolfRed (talk) 02:18, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

This also sounds like it might be a malware related issue. You could try various antivirus and antispyware tools to see if this fixed the problem.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikiwand is notorious for taking over. I suggest you get rid of it and all its cookies. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Subheading not being recognised

Hello. I just uploaded Susan Stevens.

Can someone help me make the first subheading Guiding Songs under the section "Select compositions" appear as the rest, rather than plain text? I have used {{columns-list|colwidth=20em| which I suspect has made it go wonky, but I don't know how to correct it. Thank you! 01:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC) BJCHK (talk) 01:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@BJCHK: Stuffing whole sections into a template parameter can cause different problems. I used {{div col}} instead.[3] There is a little whitespace at the start now but it's a minor issue. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter thank you! I am still on a steep learning curve with the more technical aspects of Wiki. The column-list is one of my newer additions. BJCHK (talk) 02:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Caret in article title

There's an article I want to make and it have caret, so is it within the scope of WP:TSC and WP:FORBIDDEN. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 07:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

In that case, go ahead. I'm not sure what your question or issue is. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The article title is "Ar^c". Should the special character be part of the article title or use a hatnote for it? 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 10:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the subject but if that is the Wikipedia:COMMONNAME used in reliable sources, I don't see why it shouldn't be the article title. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah almost all reliable sources uses that title. Thank you @Shantavira. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 11:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

It's not considered a special character in page names and we for example have ^txt2regex$. I would add an entry at Arc or ARC. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes noted and thank you @PrimeHunter. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 14:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The caret falls under MOS:TMRULES serving no purposes other than purely for decoration. This shouldn't be confused on whether special characters is or not allowed for article titling. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

It's about the debut album AR^C by the band ARrC. It released yesterday and there are still few sources but all sources I have found say AR^C. MOS:TMRULES says:

• Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., ♥ for "love", ! for i) or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name.

It looks like there is justification for AR^C or Ar^c. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I find the usage rather mixed uses in Korean sources from majority WP:KO/RS#R, with some omitting the caret completely, some changing the caret to interpunct, and some retaining the caret. Hence, skeptical on being used by a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 19:55, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Deleted contributions

Where have deleted contributions gone? Definite editors of a deleted page appear in its history, but the page isn't now showing in their deleted contributions. I've seen this problem on several pages now, but one example is that Draft:World on the Brink shows User:Fractal Figment as the main editor, but deleted contributions shows nothing. It's the same on other pages, and a least one other admin has noticed this recent development Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jimfbleak: It's a bug. Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Deleted contributions invisible has some discussion and workarounds. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:30, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

John of Reading thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:33, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Need to change our editors of and make multiple edits to a university Wikipedia page

HELP! The person who set up our Wikipedia page is no longer working here. I need to make a lot of changes to a small university Wikipedia page. Can someone please help us through the spider web that is editing a Wikipedia page? Catherine Wetzel at SU (talk) 14:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Catherine Wetzel at SU Wikipedia doesn't want employees of universities (or any other organisation) editing the articles directly owing to their conflict of interest. We have specific procedures for you to follow. First, you must declare yourself as a paid editor. See that link for how to do this. Then make an edit request on the Talk Page of the relevant article. This is easiest to do with the edit request wizard, which then alerts neutral editors to consider your suggestions. Make sure you include reliable sources which for some things can be the university website: see WP:ABOUTSELF. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

In addition to what Mike Turnbull says, please bear in mind that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page has disappeared?

Hello, We had a Wikipedia page and now it seems like it has disappeared. We did not receive any email or warning and not sure what must have caused Wikipedia to take this decision. Can someone please help us get our page back? Thank you. Padra clinic Canada (talk) 17:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The deletion discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Padra_(clinic). Please see WP:OWN as to why this is a wikipedia page about something *not* owned by the organization. In addition, it appears that your username is already marked as inappropriate since it indicates that you are talking for a group of people/organization rather than it being for a single individual.Naraht (talk) 17:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

I am writing to formally appeal the decision to delete the Wikipedia page for PADRA Clinic. I believe that this decision does not fully take into account the legitimate and significant role that PADRA Clinic plays in the field of hair transplantation and cosmetic services.

Legitimacy of PADRA Clinic:

PADRA Clinic has been a pioneering force in the industry since its establishment in 2000. Over the years, we have grown into the world’s largest hair transplant and cosmetic clinic, with successful operations in Dubai, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Toronto. Our clinic has performed over 600,000 hair transplants across these branches, making us a leader in the field globally.

Importance of PADRA Clinic:

The impact of PADRA Clinic on the industry cannot be understated. We have set high standards in hair transplantation techniques and patient care, earning the trust and satisfaction of thousands of clients worldwide. The information about our clinic is accurate and reflects the substantial contributions we have made to the industry.

Request for Reconsideration:

Given the significance and legitimacy of PADRA Clinic, I respectfully request that the decision to delete our Wikipedia page be reconsidered. I believe that the presence of PADRA Clinic on Wikipedia is important for providing the public with accurate and valuable information about our services and our role in advancing hair transplantation and cosmetic procedures.I am committed to ensuring that the content about PADRA Clinic on Wikipedia is factual, neutral, and adheres to Wikipedia’s standards. I would appreciate the opportunity to work with the Wikipedia community to restore the page and address any concerns that led to its deletion.Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to your positive response and am willing to collaborate on any necessary improvements to ensure the page meets Wikipedia’s guidelines. Padra clinic Canada (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

This is AI-generated puffery. We're not impressed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:21, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

In using "we" it seems that there is also immense conflict of interest as the pronoun implies the author as being affiliated with PADRA Clinic. MallardTV (talk) 19:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps the WP:ORGNAME username does that a little too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Unless there are enough such independent sources to base an article on, there is literally nothing that can be written in the article, and no article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft declined, wondering why.

My draft List of L'Officiel (Paris) cover models was declined. I don't want to sound stupid, but I am genuinely confused. It was tagged as failing WP:NLIST and lacking reliable sources.

Reliable sources

The moderator said that it "lacks any independent reliable secondary sources" which I mean it does. I'm not denying it the magazine issues themselves are the sources and that is not secondary. However are they really needed List of Vogue (US) cover models simply lists external links.

This is the same for most other lists of Vogue cover models (excluding Czechoslovakia with 2 references, India with 23 references, Philippines with 24 references, Scandinavia with 5 references and Teen Vogue with 55 references).

It is also the same with listing only external links for Lists of Elle cover models (excluding Elle India, which is sporadically referenced also Elle Girl has 1 reference).

The Lists of Harper's Bazaar cover models all only mention external links.

In my draft about L'Officel cover models external links are given only, same as the majority of lists of cover models on Wikipedia.

Along with this WP:NLIST mentions The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. which should be covered by the external links. To pass into the main space, should external links be renamed to references?

Notability

I believe the draft passes notability as the overall group of cover models is notable, WP:NLIST states that Because the group or set is notable, the individual entries in the list do not need to be independently notable.

Being on the cover of L'Officiel is notable for numerous reasons. Being on the cover of the magazine can be an entryway into becoming a prominent model with many models having their first cover be for L'Officiel (notably Linda Evangelista and Wilhelmina Cooper). Across the Internet (I admit many are less reliable sites) L'Officiel is regularly noted as one of the most prominent French fashion magazines, so being on the cover has to be notable? Along with this less onto the notability of the magazine but I do not see how being on the cover of L'Officiel is less notable than the cover of Harper's Bazaar Chile or Elle Kazakhstan.

Anyways, I'm not trying to come off as brash but I am simply confused on why the draft was declined, and I hope these reasons can be pointed out to me (or ways to improve the article). Jayediting (talk) 22:46, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Notability is demonstrated through significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Find sources which discuss the topic of L'Officiel cover models in depth, and you will have something to convince people that the topic is notable. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:54, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Help with Harvnb refs (Again)

I asked for help before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2024_August_15#Help_with_Harvnb_refs

I now have the exact same issue at a different article, when I click on the ref I added, the source in bibliography is not targeted.

I did what they said at the previous discussion. Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

This is about Katzrin ancient village and synagogue? Always include the article name where the problem exists; don't make help desk volunteers hunt for it.

Macoz & Killebrew 2022 is a different publication from Macoz & Killebrew 1988. Be sure that you are linking the correct publication(s).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, messed up with the year. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 02:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

St Anne's College, Oxford

Reference 18 has a "red alert". Please fix if able. Thank you in advance. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 23:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

It took a while to find the error but I think I fixed it. There seemed to have been a problem with the spaces in between the words. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

August 21

When it says "the code is incorrect" what do I do?

Like, I'm trying to long in (make an account) and it doesn't let me cuz the code is supossedly "incorrect", I don't know what to do :(( 2800:810:492:13C:59EB:46F2:EA0B:7032 (talk) 03:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Requesting authorization to update the Lally School Wikipedia page

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I am assistant professor at the RPI Lally School (Sebastian Souyris, https://faculty.rpi.edu/sebastian-souyris) and want to do a big update the Lally Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lally_School_of_Management). Much of the existing information is old. Can you allow me please to do it? S124816 (talk) 04:50, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

S124816, I understand that you want to edit Lally School of Management. Thank you for complying with the Paid contributions disclosure. That is a great first step. I also see that you only have 24 edits to Wikipedia. How confident are you that you fully and deeply understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines? Do you understand the deep opposition that many, many volunteer editors feel about paid editors who defy those policies and guidelines? Have you thoroughly studied and absorbed our guideline about editing with a conflict of interest? Do you understand that your best course of action is to submit neutrally written, well-refenced formal edit requests at Talk: Lally School of Management? I advise you to proceed with great caution and care with your plan to make a big update to this article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

How do I link a section of an article into a category page?

I have tried looking at the various help pages about categorization, but I cannot seem to figure it out.

I was looking at Category:Lists of tallest buildings in New Jersey page and noticed that you can link sections of an article into a category, which had been done three times on this page. There is one section of a page that is notably missing, New Brunswick, New Jersey#Tallest buildings, but I cannot figure out how to add it to the category. I have tried looking at the source code for the other three pages that are linked to the sections of their articles, but it seems it doesn't even exist in the code. I know I cannot just directly add it to the category page either, as that is not what was done on the category page. Honestly I wouldn't mind if someone did this for me, but I just cannot figure it out myself. Thanks! Hij802 (talk) 05:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Possible to get info into box by name of wikidata item?

Hello helpful helpers,

I have written several articles about particular power stations and I normally just pick up the infobox info from wikidata automatically by simply writing “Infobox power station” inside curly brackets - for example see Atlas power station.

However occasionally one article covers more than one power station, for example Afşin-Elbistan power stations. As the A and B power stations have so much in common I don’t want to split the article.

I would like an infobox for the A section and another for the B section. Is there any way I can say something like “Infobox power station - get the info from wikidata item Q6101862”? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Chidgk1, you can use |qid= like so: {{Infobox power station |qid=Q6101862 |name=Afşin-Elbistan B}}. It seems the name is taken from the page name, that's why I'm setting it manually. Rummskartoffel 09:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)