Talk:Boy Scouts of America

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July 26, 2008	Featured article candidate	Not promoted
January 4, 2010	WikiProject A-class review	Demoted
August 29, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
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GA Reassessment[edit]

Boy Scouts of America[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch article reassessment page • GAN review not found

Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:17, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous unreferenced sections, including the entirety of the "Groups and divisions" section. Z1720 (talk) 16:42, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delist per uncited content. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Meeting of the minds[edit]

@Graywalls: The last few days, you have been all over the BSA related articles:

Boy Scouts of America (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
COPE (Boy Scouts of America) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
National Advanced Youth Leadership Experience (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Philmont Training Center (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Leadership training (Boy Scouts of America) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Béla H. Bánáthy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Scouting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Then there's this: Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Big Sur, California area touristy contents

I'm not sure what to ask here, but clearly you've decided to focus on scouting articles, and you seem to be taking a lot of unilateral actions on long-established articles. I'm going to bring in @Jergen, Btphelps, and North8000: to see if they can help focus this discussion. --evrik ^(talk) 04:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik:, After some digging following the Big Sur thing, I've come across sufficient proof to show btphelps have a strong COI with Béla H. Bánáthy and White Stag and a probable WP:UPE as well as I've started working on it once I've identified their insertion of Whitestag.org sources into various articles. They've been asked to answer on their page. We have a WP:OUTING policy, so I can not discuss the proof on Wikipedia Graywalls (talk) 06:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

btphelps has overlapping interests. This is not a COI. This is simply throwing mud and seeing what sticks. --evrik ^(talk) 21:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't looked at the other ones but for this one you deleted long standing material core material on the basis of which wiki formatting method was used. And then are claiming that a consensus is needed to retain long standing material. North8000 (talk) 14:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, which is why I have changed the article back. --evrik ^(talk) 21:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

per the comments above, look at Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Quotes_based_on_primary_sources_on_Boy_Scouts_of_America. --evrik ^(talk) 00:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to be AFK until next week. Just an FYI, I just posted this: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Graywalls reported by User:Evrik (Result:_) --evrik ^(talk) 03:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For ease of finding it, now Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Graywalls reported by User:Evrik (Result: Declined) -- Pemilligan (talk) 13:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Age Range for Cub Scouts in Infobox[edit]

Since Cub Scouts membership is based on current grade of the Scout, rather than their age, would it make more sense in the Info Box to list a wider age range than just 5-10, or to instead list K-5th Grade? I was 4 when I started Kindergarten, so based on what's listed here, I couldn't join in Kindergarten which I know is not correct. Additionally, there are some 5th graders that turn 11 before bridging over to Scouts BSA, so perhaps a wider age range is appropriate? Tostie14 (talk) 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Info boxes always need to be over-abbreviated. I think that giving a general idea based on ages is good even if imperfect. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 17:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Organization name change in the lead[edit]

Nice work! IMO eventually there should be a section on this for two reasons. Would allow putting more on this important news than can fit in the lead. Also the lead should be a summary of what is in the body of the article and I don't see where this is in the body of the article. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:20, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. This information needs to be described in detail in its own section in the article and summarised in the lead. HiLo48 (talk) 23:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarity on name change[edit]

Based on recent edits which I had to revert, it would be good to summarize.

The name of the overall organization will officially change from "Boy Scouts of America" to "Scouting America" in 2025. But they are informally starting to use the new name now.
The name of the flagship program within the organization (roughly speaking the main one serving 11-15 year olds, technically approx 10-18) changed from "Boy Scouts" to "Scouts BSA" in 2019 and there is no additional change to this announced and they specifically said that the announced change does not affect this.

IMO we should not move/rename the article until new name change is official in 2025.

Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]