Talk:November 19

Selected anniversaries for the "On this day" section of the Main Page

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November 19: International Men's Day; World Toilet Day; Liberation Day in Mali (1968) Pelé in 1960 1794 – The United States and Great Britain signed the Jay Treaty, the basis for ten years of peaceful trade between the two nations. 1824 – Temenggong Abdul Rahman of Johor and Sultan Hussein Shah of Johor ceded the governance of Singapore to the British East India Company. 1969 – Playing for Santos against Vasco da Gama in Rio de Janeiro, Brazilian footballer Pelé (pictured) scored his thousandth goal. 1991 – Mexican singer Luis Miguel released the album Romance, which led to a revival of interest in bolero music. 2002 – The Greek oil tanker Prestige split in two and sank off the coast of Galicia after spilling 420 thousand barrels (17.8 million US gallons) of oil, in the worst environmental disaster in Spanish and Portuguese history. Jane Freilicher (b. 1924) Margaret Turner-Warwick (b. 1924) James Ensor (d. 1949) Erika Alexander (b. 1969) More anniversaries: November 18 November 19 November 20

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Removed:

• 1993 - Sonic CD is released for the Sega CD in North America.
• 2006 - The Nintendo Wii is released in many countries for the first time including The United States of America, Japan, and Brazil.

Trivial. --mav 07:40, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Moved:

• 2002 - The United States Senate passes the Homeland Security Bill, 90-9.

The day it was signed into law (November 25) is much more important. --mav 07:40, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

My addition of International Men's Day was removed and called "vandalism." I'm confused by this; what are the guidelines for including a holiday on the list? --128.32.183.116 01:00, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

When I clicked on International Men's Day it was in the process of being speedy deleted. Now that tag is not on the page for whatever reason. Seeing as how the page was being deleted, it seemed it was vandalism, so I deleted the entry. If it's a legitimate entry, I apologize and by all means, please put it up again. Dismas 01:21, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

St. Hilda's Day

As the entry for St. Hilda's Day indicates that it's held on either Nov. 17th (Catholic) or 18th (Anglican), I'm removing the reference from this page. Perhaps it should be added to the appropriate days?

Videogames

I don't see why we shouldn't add on for the Wii release. Anyone got a good reason? --Nintendorules.exe

Well, there's the fact that we're not the ad agency for Nintendo or any other product looking for recognition for a commercial product launch. --CalendarWatcher 02:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Good point. I SWEAR I'M NOT A NINTENDO AD AGENCY. --Nintendorules.exe

And neither is Wikipedia. --CalendarWatcher 03:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't get it! To a lot of people the Wii release is a big thing! I'm (one of) the guy(s) that added it and it got deleted. I also notice that Nov. 17 says the same thing regarding PS3! These are big things to a lot of people!!

Do not worry I just added it again they ont be able to get rid of it this time. --Super Mario Bro

While I agree that individual games should not be listed in this format, the launch of a console is somewhat noteworthy. As the Wii is something of a phenomenon, in that it reaches out to non-gamers, something that has been noted by numerous non-gaming sources (I'll track down citations), that qualifies as noteworthy. But, I'll defer to the masses, whichever way it's decided.

McDoobAU93 20:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Although today the Wii seems to be a phenomenon a few years from now it will not be a milestone. The only thing that might be said to make the Wii stand out, a motion sensing controller was available for games on the Sega Dreamcast, such as Sega Marine Fishing. The Wii is just another console. -- Drappel 23:15, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

It is another console, but its noteworthiness comes not just from its control scheme (which, you are correct, has been done in limited cases before) but from how Nintendo has bucked numerous trends in gaming and established its own course, that of going after non-gamers and emphasizing fun over graphics. Even Dreamcast is noteworthy in that it was the last console Sega manufactured. Again, I'll defer to the majority, but considering some of the other entries on this site, a few bytes to mention the Wii here (or, to be fair, the other console launches of note) shouldn't damage the article irreparably. I know this discussion thread is starting to smack of fanboy-ism, unfortunately.

McDoobAU93 07:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

"Malice at the Palace"

Someone added in a listing for the now-famous brawl between Ron Artest and Ben Wallace in Auburn Hills, Michigan, in 2004. I went ahead and removed it as non-noteworthy, but I did want to bring it up before the editing community to see if maybe this particular event, because it spilled into the stands and may well have been fully triggered by a fan, would indeed be noteworthy. Opinions?

--McDoobAU93 15:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

What is noteworthy?

A recent edit, presumed to be in good faith, removed some events that, in my opinion, are still noteworthy and should be on the list. The particular events, and why I believe they are:

• 1954--Sammy Davis Jr. loses an eye in a traffic accident (this is a significant event in a noteworthy person's life)
• 1955--First issue of National Review (a prominent and noteworthy magazine starts its life)
• 1990--Milli Vanilli loses Grammy (major recording scandal comes to a head)
• 1999--John Carpenter first to win $1m on "Millionaire" (first person to win the top prize on any version of the show)

Granted, these are my own opinions on the matter. To that end, I have two questions to present. First: why are these events not noteworthy? Second: What should constitute "noteworthy" here? I think there are some issues that are of lesser note that could be removed, but none of those were stricken in this particular edit. If there is a really good template or litmus test to follow, please point me to it. Thanks. --McDoobAU93 05:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

None of these events are globally notable or would remain so for the next 50 years. First, Sammy Davis' injury was not a turning point in his life nor did it make him better, more famous, more notable, etc. He was not known for having one eye. As far as the rest of the world is concerned it is newsworthy but not noteworthy. As far as the National Review: The first issue is not in itself notable. It did not change the world on that day. No magazines are notable just because they were founded. The Milli Vanilli entry is arguable only because AFAIK it is the only example of a Grammy being lost. It still didn't change the world. Likewise with the Millionaire thing. Check out this for some ideas on what is generally accepted as notable enough for Wikicalendar articles. I generally remove the items that jump out at me in a quick review and agree that there are always other items that need to be removed. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 17:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

November 19

Hello. I see you removed theRandy Pausch Day from the November 19 article. (He's the computer professor with terminal cancer who has been giving very popular and inspirational speeches). I was wondering what level of importance was required for an observation to qualify for the list. Thanks!--Shizzy9989 (talk) 03:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

This observance is not a recurring observance. By that I mean that it only was observed on November 19, 2007. In order for observances to be listed, they must recur on the same date each year. Also, this is only an observance in Pittsburgh, PA. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 04:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense to me. Thanks!--Shizzy9989 (talk) 15:53, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

About hl

Should I add for 1998, "half-life came out and the half-life series started." because I thought video game releases were listed?35.141.133.26 (talk) 19:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)