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Survivors of The USS Liberty dispute Naval investigation
BBC has produced an alternative story to what really happened in regards to the Israei attack on The USS Liberty. "USS Liberty:Dead in the Water" 2002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA
Along with the BBC the vertrans of The USS Liberty has a website dedicated to the events that took place on that fateful day.
http://www.gtr5.com/— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevoconnor16 (talk • contribs)
"It was later reported, based on information from IDF sources, that the over-flights were coincidental, and that the aircraft were hunting for Egyptian submarines that had been spotted near the coast." Did Egypt have submarines in 1967? I think this claim needs a citation. 2601:147:4700:7BD0:1747:553F:3078:956A (talk) 00:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I believe the links to 'Thursday 8 June 1967', and 'June in the year 1967' are unnecessary additions to the 'See Also' section and should be removed to reduce cluttering and to be more in line with how the 'See Also' section is used in other pages. CheeseAuthority (talk) 02:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The word "deliberate" seems to be used here as some sort of negation of "accident" or "mistake". There is a problem in that "deliberate" means, "the result of deliberation," which does not necessarily imply that the deliberations are correct; yet the word "deliberate" could be taken to mean that the end result considering all of the eventual facts was intended. There is a substantial difference between a deliberation with mistaken facts/assumptions and one with no errors.
IOW, Israel, as the result of a deliberations in an information deficit due to the fog of war, came to the mistaken conclusion that the USS Liberty was a hostile Egyptian ship and as a result made the positive decision to attack it, as they were at war with Egypt. This is not the same as having positively identified it as an American vessel and positively decided to attack the United States -- a nation they were not at war with.
That something was done after deliberation does not mean that the results are intended, since deliberation is just the process of thinking things over and does not mean you know everything, or even anything at all. Something can be done after deliberation which is still a mistake/unintended/an accident of information at hand. 2601:19E:4280:5853:2C01:795B:F90E:4D52 (talk) 02:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All 11 times we use the word "deliberate" in the article prose, it is as part of a direct or indirect, attributed quote. MW also includes the relevant definition: characterized by awareness of the consequences. In context "done after deliberation" is not the definition being used here, and even it was, we would not use our own original synthesis as editors to arrive at a conclusion different than those attributed to relevant sources. VQuakr (talk) 03:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Done - Agreed, unnecessarily generic to be included in see also -- macaddct1984 (talk | contribs) 19:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)