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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

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Archives of posted stories: Wikipedia:In the news/Posted/Archives

September 11

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September 11, 2024 (2024-09-11) (Wednesday)

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Judicial reform bill in Mexico

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Article: 2024 Mexican judicial reform (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Congress of Mexico approves sweeping reforms of the country's judiciary after protestors storm the Senate chamber. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, BBC News HRW
Credits:

Article updated

Senate chamber stormed; constitutional amendments criticized by HRW, etc., passed. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

True on both counts. But the Senate was the major hurdle to overcome: the ruling coalition controls 27 (?) of the state congresses, so it's just a matter of time. And the storming of the Senate chamber is big news this morning, although its treatment in our articles is somewhat cursory. (Not going to be that guy who replies to every comment, I promise.) Moscow Mule (talk) 18:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Didier Roustan

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Article: Didier Roustan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): L'Equipe, Le Monde (both in French)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Died this morning, and article looks reasonable enough. Very little info on his death seems to be available right now. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:24, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 10

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September 10, 2024 (2024-09-10) (Tuesday)

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  • The death toll from the capsizing of a migrant boat off the coast of Senegal over the weekend increases to 26 after the discovery of 17 more bodies. (Reuters)

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Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Emi Shinohara

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Article: Emi Shinohara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network, Nikkan Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Voice of Sailor Jupiter, announced today. Page biography is sourced, but filmography will need to be sourced. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 9

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September 9, 2024 (2024-09-09) (Monday)

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RD: Raja Petra Kamarudin

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Article: Raja Petra Kamarudin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Star
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Tofusaurus (talk) 03:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) (RD posted) Blurb/RD: James Earl Jones

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RD posted, no consensus for a blurb. --Tone 19:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: James Earl Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American actor James Earl Jones (pictured) dies at the age of 93 (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Masem (t) 20:52, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updated Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Extended discussion of the significance of such statistics
  • One wonders what difference posting to Main page will cause to number of views? What's the usual effect? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For one RD post, Eric Sievers, he died on April 10, was posted to RD on April 14, and received ~7,000 more views that day after trending down the previous days.[3] Not sure about the effect of a blurb, or a pictured blurb. —Bagumba (talk) 10:54, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Many thanks. I was thinking more of someone like this. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's harder to gauge when there's 100s of thousands of views to know what's the "natural" traffic vs. the RD effect. There's the natural dropoff of views with each passing day. With a less popular one like Sievers, it's easy to see the bump when it took a few days to post. —Bagumba (talk) 12:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, there's click data for Wikipedia at m:Research:Wikipedia_clickstream. In the month of June, it shows Main_Page Donald_Sutherland other 44467. **If** I'm reading it correctly, there was 44,467 clicks from the Main Page to Sutherland's page, presumably all from the RD post. It was up for ~40 hours, which works out to ~27,000 views/day. —Bagumba (talk) 13:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for discovering this as it's another good source of evidence. Trying this out, I looked at July's stats. For a given article, you can see where the traffic came from. The following is a list of prominent RD/blurbs during July and the percentage of traffic that came from the main page, i.e. ITN.
    Toumani Diabaté = 42%
    Nguyễn Phú Trọng = 31% (the one person that got a blurb)
    Ray Reardon = 14%
    John Mayall = 7.8%
    Edna O'Brien = 2.96%
    Shelley Duvall = 1.87%
    Bob Newhart = 0.99%
    William Calley = 0.98%
    Richard Simmons = 0.73%
    Prince Michael of Greece and Denmark = 0.55%
    So, in most such cases, it appears that ITN has little effect in driving traffic. From the comparative data, it seems that the Deaths in July 2024 often drove more traffic.
    Andrew🐉(talk) 17:20, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The caveat is that those are monthly totals, and an items says on RD for say 1–3 days out of 30, and popular people obviously get more traffic independent of RD. But the beauty and curse of statistics is that small percentages of a large volume is still thousands or tens of thousands of clicks. For example, depending on the desired narrative, a company of 10,000 that laid off 100 people can said to have "only had a 1% reduction" vs "terminated 100 workers". —Bagumba (talk) 01:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. When using statistics, what you want are the big numbers, not the small ones. By looking at our readership stats, you can see whether a story is attracting millions of views or just a few thousand. This seems to be a more objective measure than a poll of the tiny number of editors that show up here. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:55, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We do not care about page views here, again. Nor are page views any indication about whether we should post a blurb (that would make it a popularity game and that's a disservice to the main page) — Masem (t) 11:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So if someone dies Sunday and their page gets 100,000 views on Monday and Tuesday... then their RD gets posted to Main page on Wednesday, and the page gets 50,000 views for the rest of the week.... That's all just irrelevant? ITN/RD is still worth all the effort? (I guess this question should really be discussed at ITN Talk). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If that were the case, then we'd close blurbs and RDs within 2 days because what's the point then? We'd like to make sure things are timely, but we also need to make sure all aspects are met before posting, and thus we have the 7 day period for candidates to be considered. We're not here to make sure the most popular news stories are being pushed to the ITN box, but to showcase quality articles that are in the news, if that happens to be someone popular that brings a lot of views from the main page, great, but its by no means any rational we have to post something. Consider that probably the bulk of those million views for JEJ were well before RD was posted, so it is not like readers cannot find their way to that article without ITN's help. Masem (t) 12:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We might close them if monitoring of page views was an agreed part of the process? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We shouldn't be worried at all about page views; certainly none of the other Main Page sections worry about this. We want to feature any quality WP content - with the situation that it should have been in the news recently (7 days). That's it. Whether that drives people to read those articles is out of our control once posted, but we do know there's typically a bump, however small, because of being shown on the main page, means that we're meeting our job. Hence why aspects like popularity or page views should not be any type of driver for posting an item, not to mention the general aspect of fighting systematic bias. Masem (t) 12:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there systematic bias for posting American actors with whom UK editors are largely unfamiliar? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The systematic bias is two part here, one being American, and two being a celebrity, both areas where there is disproportionate news coverage. It's why this blurb and several of the comments make it feel like a popularity contest. We should worry about "not famous in country X" comments, since that type of argument is discouraged in addition to our goal of trying to show a diverse array of topics (it's like that French actor from a few weeks ago, perhaps only a household name in France but demonstrated all the right factors for blurb posting, just never got quality improved) Masem (t) 13:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I meant simply that because there are more American !voters here, American actors will tend to get more support for a blurb. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Which is still a systematic bias we should try to overcome. Masem (t) 13:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (not that editors ever have to disclose their nationality; and I personally have no idea of the percentage nationality split between all editors) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, there is hardly any. We didn't post blurbs even of such well-known actors as Kirk Douglas, Donald Sutherland, William Hurt, Gena Rowlands, Lauren Bacall, Eli Wallach, Harry Dean Stanton, Louis Gosset, Jr., Martin Landau. Except Dean Stanton all actors in the list had an Oscar. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that, on day 2, the readership of his article has gone up and is still over a million. This will not be because of the RD posting, which will have barely made the needle twitch. It's more likely due to the impact of tributes and follow-ups across the global media which tend to follow the death of a major figure. You don't usually see this pattern for ordinary deaths which typically have an initial spike and then a steep decline.
And note that these numbers are huge compared to everything else on Wikipedia. If you look at the top read articles, then Jones is way out in front with 1.35 million while the #2 is Cecilia Hart with just 197K. And why is she #2? That's because she was Jones' wife! You have to go to #3 to find a different topic and that just got 166K views.
Andrew🐉(talk) 07:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD posted Blurb discussion can continue.—Bagumba (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Decent actor? Yes. Transformative? No. I really don't like to criticise other editor's reasoning, but let's be clear here - Kirk Douglas didn't get a blurb because "old man dies". Is Jones on a higher level? I really don't want to mention the Carrie Fisher effect here, but - oops, sorry. But really, how many non-Star Wars fans outside the US would even know who he was? Black Kite (talk) 12:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd agree, except for the fact that his career stems back to 1965 and, per the article, he's been recognised as a pioneer for African Americans in stage and film. Promethean (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He lived a long life and continued to work into his dotage. I don't think that's all that unusual when it comes to notable film actors. There are hundreds of notable screen stars working right now whose careers span 50+ years. Donald Sutherland's career stretched back to the 1960s too but it didn't make him blurb-worthy. James Earl Jones' screen career did start during the civil rights era in the United States, but I don't think it's enough. In contrast to Sidney Poitier (whose death we blurbed), he was not a notable star at that time, he wasn't closely associated with activism and he isn't known for any major firsts as an African-American actor. Humbledaisy (talk) 12:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He was a second Black actor go get nominated for Oscar. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well yes, that's my point exactly - not a first. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The changes do not happen immediately, he can be regarded as first Black actor to have achieved that much success on stage. And he was active at the same time as Poitier, so they both contributed. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Loads of actors have careers of many decades, I'm not seeing that as something blurb-worthy. And "being a pioneer for African Americans" is sourced to an obituary. I'd be far more likely to take that seriously if I could see RS saying that from when he was still alive. Black Kite (talk) 14:43, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In a 1998 interview, [Denzel] Washington said, “There weren’t a lot of serious Black actors for us to emulate, to follow, to admire. There was Sidney [Poitier]; it was James Earl Jones on stage. That’s what I remember.”[4]
    Washington said this in 1998, long before 2024. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:37, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The thing is that, Star Wars is worlwide phenomenon, and the set of Non-Star Wars fans is not large, even outside of US. And the set of people who don't know about Star Wars is even smaller. There will be few people who don't know who Dart Vader is. BilboBeggins (talk) 16:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb EGOT recipient is a very rare achievement and signifies the pinnacle of the entertainment industry. In addition, the subject is known for portraying several iconic characters that are universally known worldwide. Blurb is warranted.
    RachelTensions (talk) 13:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • A little late to the party here, but support blurb - the man was/is a household name with several worldwide famous roles and characters under his belt. He's extremely well known not only in the acting scene, but in popular culture overall. Rest in peace. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 13:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb he wasn't Olivier. Sheila1988 (talk) 15:45, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He was a Shakespearean actor and won an award for playing Othello, just like Olivier. What's the difference? Andrew🐉(talk) 17:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Olivier was white? (until be blacked up, of course)... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What a trite question. Olivier was one of three who dominated British stage acting in the C20th, before moving into theatre management by setting up and running the National Theatre. That’s transformation and a good reason for a blurb, not just for being famous because he voiced Darth Vader. - SchroCat (talk) 18:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. RD is more than enough here we go again. He was a very popular actor, but not transformative, he did not mark a milestone in the history of American entertainment. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not the New York Times. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What does "transformative" mean? Who is an example of a "transformative" actor, or someone who marked a milestone? Natg 19 (talk) 17:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Laurence Olivier mentioned in the comment just above. —  AjaxSmack  19:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Besides the fact that we aren't supposed to be doing x vs y arguments for death blurbs, why exactly was Olivier so much more important than Jones? DarkSide830 (talk) 19:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, see the comments above about one being transformative and the other not. - SchroCat (talk) 22:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You seem to have explained why Olivier was noteworthy enough, but reducing Jones's impact to one acting credit seems to almost completely diminish his larger body of work. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have done nothing of the sort. A number of people voting for a blurb have done exactly that, ironically enough. - SchroCat (talk) 04:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's...exactly what you said in response to the previous vote. You said Jones was notable explicitly just because he voiced Vader. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:06, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ”You said Jones was notable explicitly just because he voiced Vader”: that’s just not true. JEJ was a notable actor because of his entire career (that’s just obvious); it’s an outright lie to say I have only said he was notable because he played Vader. - SchroCat (talk) 18:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    1 Acadamy Award, 3 Emmys, a Golden Globe, a Grammy, a SAG, and 3 Tonys plus a plethora of second tier awards. I'd say he was in the same league as Olivier. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Then you don’t understand what Olivier’s impact was. Aside from dominating the British stage for much of the twentieth century, he was a formidable producer and director. He worked to set up the National Theatre and then ran in, and completely changed theatre in the UK. That’s what a transformative figure does. I see nothing in JEJ’s article that suggests he was transformative. - SchroCat (talk) 04:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb. Titan in his field, long career with an EGOT to boot. You want transformative? How about the fame he got from one of the most famous VA roles ever as Vader? Probably one of the first to achieve that level of fame in an off-screen acting role. Seems pretty slam-dunk to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose blurb Very famous for his voice acting roles of Mufasa and Darth Vader but was not transformative in his field.
    Noah, BSBATalk 22:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb Anyone with an EGOT merits serious consideration. Even if his "O" in the EGOT was noncompetitive, the fact that he voiced Darth Vader and had notable roles in critically acclaimed films such as Field of Dreams, The Lion King and Cry, the Beloved Country puts him over the top for me. --Pats2017 (talk) 00:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning support blurb. I just wanted to comment that I don't think WP:OLDMANDIES is applicable here. While the subject was indeed "old", he was not long-retired and out of the spotlight. He appeared in both live-action and voice roles in the 2020s, and his voice continues to be used by an agreement reached before his death. I also do think that his success as an American black actor beginning in the 1960s is inherently more transformative than that of non-minority actors in the same time period. BD2412 T 03:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - This is not about his two widely-known voice acting roles. This is about a long and distinguished career on stage and screen, his role as a trailblazer for African-American actors (qv Denzel quote above), and his overall stature in the field. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb not even close to being in the same league as Alain Delon, whom we did not post. So no, definitely not blurb worthy. 2A02:8071:6362:54A0:E829:76AA:FD43:F219 (talk) 11:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Main reason why Alain Delon was not blurbed was due to the article quality being bad/not in good enough shape for posting to be fair. Jones's article is in better quality. Also not a fan of "x didn't get blurbed so neither should y" rationale. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was consensus leaning to not blurbing Delon back then and there is consensus leaning to blurbing James Earl Jones now.
    It's not that I agreed with the arguments for not blurbing Delon, because there was evidence of him being transformative in the article, but the discussion on that ended and the main problem was that it couldn't even be posted to RD. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:46, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, if this is going to end up being blurbed and we are going to make the Carrie Fisher mistake a second time, does anyone want to explain the rationale? Most of the votes here are just "he was Darth Vader, duh!" or "He was very famous" and those strike me as very weak arguments. I've seen very little genuine rationale for a blurb in this discussion aside from the Denzel Washington quote. That doesn't seem enough - it could be said of several other actors, more strongly Sidney Poitier who we previously blurbed - and, as I mentioned before, JEJ was not a notable star during the Civil Rights era, he wasn't closely associated with civil rights or activism and he isn't known for any major firsts as an African-American actor. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's a similar Denzel quote already in the article. Not sure which is the more notable. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The mistake will be not to blurb him.
    Could you give rationale why Poitier was bigger than Janes Earl Jone? In last twenty years of his life Poitier was not active except for occasional Oscar ceremony appearances. And before that his only significant, or blockbuster role in another twenty years or so was being third-billed role in Jackal.
    One of the rationale was that he got theatre named during his lifetime. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    “If you were an actor or aspired to be an actor, if you pounded the payment in these streets looks for jobs, one of the standards we always had was to be a James Earl Jones," — this is from no other than Samuel L. Jackson.
    “The first play that I saw was ‘Fences,’” said Tony-winning director Kenny Leon of Jones’ performance in Wilson’s seminal American play. “I was a country boy from Tallahassee, Florida, came here as a National Endowment for the Arts fellow, and I saw ‘Fences.’ It changed the directory of my professional life.”
    "Of the theater luminaries in attendance, including Brian Stokes Mitchell, LaChanze, Norm Lewis and playwright Suzan-Lori Parks, many reflected on Jones’ indelible influence on their careers" — from Variety on opening of the theatre [5]. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 8

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September 8, 2024 (2024-09-08) (Sunday)

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Sports

RD: Ben Thapa

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Article: Ben Thapa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph, the Independent, RTE, Metro
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English singer, member of G4. Article looks adequate. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 15:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: article looks OK; Metro isn't a great source for notability/news coverage but also reported in Telegraph, the Independent and RTE. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ed Kranepool

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Article: Ed Kranepool (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports, AP News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former first baseman for the New York Mets. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C33:5504:7A1B:88BA (talk) 02:50, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ana Gervasi

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Article: Ana Gervasi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Infobae
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in a good enough shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

US Open Tennis

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Article: Jannik Sinner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Jannik Sinner (men's singles) and Aryna Sabalenka (women's singles) win the 2024 US Open. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, CNN (for Sabalenka)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Both articles are GAs, and US Open wins (men's and women's posted together) are covered by ITNR. Not sure how to do it with two pictures -- I assume in practice we would alternate them? UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In practice, both images will be combined into one, and the combined one will be used. – robertsky (talk) 07:56, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing: Israel–Hezbollah conflict

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Article: Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Even if there is clear link with the Gaza war, this is still a different conflict, widely covered. --Roncanada (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The linked article asserts this is part of the Israel-Hamas conflict that started in Oct 2023. I'm not seeing how it is different. The linked article above is linked in one of the top navboxes of the main Israel-Hamas page as well. Masem (t) 15:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft oppose Problem I have with including this in the ongoing section is that currently the conflict is little more than drone and artillery strikes by both sides. If the Israeli army launched a ground offensive into Lebanon, or vice versa, than I would support inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 15:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless conflict escalates - Right now it's confined to skirmishes and not a full-scale conflict. If we must post this I say we include a spillover link in the ongoing item PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above - thus far it's just been exchanges of rocket fire and airstrikes, which is pretty much what it's been for a long time - just that they've gotten more frequent that normal. The Kip (contribs) 16:37, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose more similar to the Kashmiri conflict then a full scale war. Wait until a proper invasion by ground troops and then we’ll add it to ongoing. 27.96.223.192 (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per Abcmaxx. This is an ongoing event with regular updates. I would also accept bringing back the "Spillover of the Israel-Hamas war" ongoing item. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While, I leaning oppose as of right now, I would say that there are already three ongoing entries. Four would be far too much. I suggest we should one of them before adding this one. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The number of ongoing items currently listed shouldn't be a factor, merely that there's just a lot going on in the world right now. Each nomination should be decided on its own merits. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:57, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support merging with Israel–Hamas War ongoing. I don't see that we need two different ongoings for two different aspects of essentially the same conflict. What to call it though? "Israeli-wars"?, "Israel-Palestine conflicts"? "Palestine situation"? - it's hard to think of a title that is both encompassing and neutral. Nfitz (talk) 13:14, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not even an Israeli-Arab war it is much more nuanced than that. However, not convinced it is the same conflict. Yes, Hamas and Hezbollah are linked, and obviously one conflict escalation led to the other, but Lebanon isn’t Palestine and it brings a whole different set of issues and potential outcomes. I would argue even that what happens in the West Bank is not the same conflict as what happens in Gaza; different political forces, different area, different issues to contend with. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Scu Ba and PrecariousWorlds. FlipandFlopped ツ 21:59, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now per Scu ba & PrecariousWorlds. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Henny Moan

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Article: Henny Moan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Norwegian actress. Seems sufficiently cited, except for filmography section (which needs citations). Oceanh (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per MOS:FILMCAST, a citation isn't required (though there's nothing stopping us providing one) as long as the role is credited. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FILMCAST applies to pages about films, not to BLP, which have higher standards for sourcing. Masem (t) 15:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They do, but FILMCAST applies to film-related articles, not exclusively articles about films (an article on a film actor qualifies as "film-related", in my view, under any reasonable reading). The BLP sourcing standards in question are that any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be sourced. Putting those together, a citation would of course be welcome in any case, and required if there was a reasonable chance that someone would dispute whether she held a particular role. UndercoverClassicist T·C 16:39, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see where it says a citation is not required. Can you quote the excerpt? —Bagumba (talk) 06:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For uncredited roles, a citation should be provided in accordance with Wikipedia's verifiability policy. This is a case where the exception proves the rule -- by specifying that uncredited roles need a citation, it follows that credited roles do not (necessarily) require one. It's also covered by WP:PRIMARY, which has a primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge: if a credit to the person is visible when watching the film, the film itself is a sufficient citation for the statement that they held a credited role, unless there is good reason to require further (dis)proof. UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Typhoon Yagi

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Article: Typhoon Yagi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Yagi (pictured), leaves at least 40 people dead in China, Vietnam, and the Philippines (Post)
News source(s): ChinaNews VNExpress GMA News
Credits:

The storm made historic landfall, the death toll continued to rise, and the article is in good shape. HurricaneEdgar 00:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Its a current weather event, so it should be recent. Sources are reliable and the context is notable. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as Yagi is absolutely notable enough to be in ITN. Shouldn't this be closed now? OhHaiMark (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 7

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2024 Algerian presidential election

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Article: 2024 Algerian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Abdelmadjid Tebboune (pictured) is declared the winner of the 2024 Algerian presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Abdelmadjid Tebboune (pictured) is declared the winner of the 2024 Algerian presidential election which the opposition boycotted.
News source(s): ReutersAPAl Jazeera
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: A national election that deserves to be ITN per WP:ITN/R Scu ba (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was a very long discussion as to not try and accidentally convey that the Russian election was anything more than a sham from what I remember. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:15, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I think "which the opposition boycotted" is sufficient for the reader to join the necessary dots, and is nicely factual and verifiable, whereas "the election was fraudulent" is much trickier. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree, fraud is a crime and labelling something fraudulent requires a legal process usually (as would e.g. murder or theft); given this is a de facto dictatorship we may never get any closure ever even if the regime falls as to how fraudulent or not this election is. At the same time I have long argued not to mislead by suggesting equivalency between fair and sham elections. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Diondre Overton

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Article: Diondre Overton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
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Former Clemson wide receiver. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the article seems fine to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:30, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dan Morgenstern

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Article: Dan Morgenstern (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Thriley (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 6

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(Posted) RD: Rebecca Horn

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Article: Rebecca Horn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monopol Magazine, Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
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German visual artist. Grimes2 (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ron Yeats

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Article: Ron Yeats (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

Article updated
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Scottish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:6C2D:D568:97D0:2125 (talk) 03:40, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cathy Merrick

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Article: Cathy Merrick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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Indigenous leader in Canada and Grand Chief of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:04, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paul Goldsmith

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Article: Paul Goldsmith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-goldsmith-indianapolis-500-nascar-icon-dies-at-98/
Credits:

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RegalZ8790 (talk) 01:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk

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Non-admin closure per WP:SNOW. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Vide previous candidate
Credits:
ArionStar (talk) 23:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Sérgio Mendes

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Article: Sérgio Mendes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, LA Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Brazilian musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose orange tag, unsourced awards section and only 8 references for a bit long article. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:37, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) San Marino national football team

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Consensus to post will not develop, again. Stephen 10:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: San Marino national football team (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ San Marino national football team, the lowest-ranked FIFA-affiliated national team, wins the first competitive victory in their 36-year history (Post)
News source(s): ESPN.com
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Holapaco77 (talk) 11:50, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While interesting, it's more suited for DYK than ITN, as per Pats2017 and Nfitz. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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September 5

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RD: Herbie Flowers

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Article: Herbie Flowers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, NME
Credits:

Article updated
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English bass guitarist and member of T. Rex. 240F:7A:6253:1:7989:33F2:8DF6:8310 (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: played bass on Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" and on David Essex's "Rock On". By the end of the 1970s, Flowers had played bass on an estimated 500 hit recordings. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:57, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: Natg 19 (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Radha Charan Gupta

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Article: Radha Charan Gupta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News18
Credits:

Article updated
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One of the most prolific and celebrated Indian historians of mathematics. –jacobolus (t) 05:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Laurent Tirard

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Article: Laurent Tirard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated
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French film director and screenwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E121:3DD7:6095:EC33 (talk) 15:37, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good. Cognitivism (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose most of the info on the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rich Homie Quan

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Article: Rich Homie Quan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Source
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Heatrave (talk) 19:05, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Michel Barnier appointed Prime Minister of France

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Article: Michel Barnier (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron. (Post)
News source(s): "Live blog: Macron names Michel Barnier new prime minister". France24. 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "Michel Barnier named by Macron as new French PM". BBC News. 2024-09-05.
Credits:

UndercoverClassicist T·C 13:31, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, not ITN/R but still very relevant as the conclusion of two months of political uncertainty. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:44, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks good, politically relevant and a major event especially following the stalling of rejection of a leftist government. Scu ba (talk) 14:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything significant written about him between the 2022 election and now. Sourcing all of the awards unfortunately would be difficult (though I see some were removed, which is perfectly fine by me). Gödel2200 (talk) 18:03, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's unfortunate -- my hope is that good sources for them exist, but I can't find anything (even in the awarding nations' languages) other than Wikipedias or Wiki-mirrors. The German Wikipedia has a very suspicious citation to "Federal Government" (in plain text) for the German award. All removed for now -- we now have no CN tags and I think the article's referencing should be up to the standard we need. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:39, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is much better cited now, with only one uncited award left. It would be good to have more detail about this years French legislative election on his page (it only is mentioned in the lede right now). Gödel2200 (talk) 19:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops -- I missed that one -- another dubious case; removed. UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:28, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it's been over 2 months since the French parliamentary elections, and this is a notable change in head of government. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The prime minister is indeed the head of the executive branch in France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITNR uses List of current heads of state and government to determine who administers the executive of each country and for France it is the President of France. This reply can also be my Oppose !vote I guess.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 04:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially a page that does not cite any sources, such as the one you mention. As is well known, executive power is shared between the President and the Prime Minister according to the French Constitution. The Prime Minister heads the government, which "determines and conducts government policy". This is particularly evident in periods of cohabitation, such as the current period. Cf. [6]. The error on the page you mention has been fixed based on Article 21 of the French constitution. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 07:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The status of the current period as a cohabitation is still being discussed by reliable sources, as it is pretty much a unique situation between an entirely presidential regime and a "full" cohabitation. While the Prime Minister himself calls it "coexistence" rather than "cohabitation", political analysts describe it as "a new form of cohabitation", with the portmanteau "coalitation" being especially popular as the power shifts from the President to the National Assembly. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaving aside forumy discussions about whether a PM from a party holding fewer than 40 seats in the National Assembly represents a true transfer of power reflective of the results of the legislative election, the fact remains that the PM is (at the very least the nominative) co-leader of the executive branch and therefore his appointment is newsworthy. Article 21: Le Premier ministre dirige l'action du Gouvernement. Il est responsable de la défense nationale. Il assure l'exécution des lois. Sous réserve des dispositions de l'article 13, il exerce le pouvoir réglementaire et nomme aux emplois civils et militaires. The correction of the error mentioned above makes the appointment of a French PM automatic by virtue of Wikipedia:ITNELECTIONS.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 01:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The appointment of a head of government after months of chaos is notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears you have made 200 edits to mainspace. Feel free to get some experience by fixing whatever you see as problematic. As for whether the Prime Minister of a country whose government is run by the prime minister is a notable position, we'll have to agree to disagree. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 14:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not literate in French so it'd be hard for me to improve that article by finding sources without relying on Google Translate (which seems unreliable). But your point is taken, I should spend more time in mainspace. :) Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We only require the targeted article to be of sufficient quality - if we required all articles linked from the blurb to be of good quality, nothing would ever be posted. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Those opposing are doing so largely based on faulty arguments: firstly, executive power is "bicephalous" (two-headed) in France. While the power of the prime minister is largely nominal when the President and PM are from the same party, this is not the case during divided government. Secondly, whether the nomination process is democratic or not does not determine whether something is newsworthy. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 08:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And what exactly makes this appointment newsworthy/extraordinary compared to any other appointment? 31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ITNELECTIONS, good IP with 20 contribs.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 12:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still struggle to see any extraordinary reasons for this to be posted and as kcmastrpc pointed out, prime minister of France is still orange tagged.
Furthermore, please refrain from continuing attempting to poison the well, as the amount of contributions anyone have has little to do with the validity of their arguments and doesn't help your case. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The mention of your lack of experience is an attempt to explain your lack of understanding of the appropriate guideline that has been provided. Nothing extraordinary is required to post the appointment of a new head of government after 8 weeks of delay. That is not to say that this appointment is not extraordinary, given the extraordinary circumstances, but that is not relevant to a decision here. Moreover, after adding five standard references and a book review, I've removed the orange tag on prime minister of France. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 16:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My IP is not static. Let's end our discussion on this page here since we're going dangerously off-topic.31.44.224.222 (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Why not just add a bit to the current blurb?
ALT 1: Michel Barnier (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of France by President Emmanuel Macron leading La France Insoumise to organize protests.-- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 02:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Might be wise to cut the "organised by", since my understanding is that other left-wing groups have had a role in organising some of the events -- could I suggest ALT2: "...by President Emmanuel Macron, leading to nationwide anti-government protests." UndercoverClassicist T·C 09:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine with me... -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 18:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Important country, important event. People will be turning to the Wikipedia article for information. Like the role of president and prime minister, which differs from every other country I can think of. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 15:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Independent of the actual power of the PM, it's worth noting the situation here. French politics have increasingly heated lately, new elections were called, and Macron's recently appointed PM resigned within a year. Meanwhile, he goes with a different sort of pick here, but not without some backlash by the public. Again, this is discounting the actual power of the French PM, which seems to be understated in this discussion. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose His predecessor's item was pulled from the ITN section, so I don't see why this should be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His predecessor's item was posted. It was later pulled due to a lack of consensus over the blurb language (inclusion or not of his status as the first openly gay PM). The case was different too, of course, because it was not a situation of cohabitation (in which the President's primacy over the executive is lost to the PM). You supported posting Attal, but do not support posting Barnier. I'm confused as to why when the PM is exercising executive power you oppose, but when the PM was only administering the President's will you supported. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 15:34, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SashiRolls, when I posted the support vote at the item, it was my only 15th edit to ITN/C page and was still learning the entire process. Since that time I've made more than 600 edits and I would have opposed that nomination now. Now, why I supported that nomination was because of his sexuality (shouldn't have). My Opposition now has more to do to with the power of the PM. Also, considering the political atmosphere right now, we may see such nominee in the near future again. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per SashiRolls. FlipandFlopped ツ 22:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rebecca Cheptegei

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Article: Rebecca Cheptegei (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard, BBC, The Guardian, L'Équipe, Il Post
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: An Ugandan runner who most recently represented her country at the 2024 Summer Olympics, and has now fell victim of a horrible crime. The article definitely needs some more work, but the sources I've included should help us. Oltrepier (talk) 08:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 4

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September 4, 2024 (2024-09-04) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

RD: Hans-Ulrich Schmincke

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Article: Hans-Ulrich Schmincke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German academic and volcanologist. Chaiten1 (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good to me. Hungry403 (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready Nowhere in the prose does it say that he's died. Schwede66 00:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, thank you! Chaiten1 (talk) 10:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Noel Parmentel

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Article: Noel Parmentel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 4 September. Thriley (talk) 04:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Apalachee High School shooting

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Consensus to post will not develop. Noah, BSBATalk 00:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2024 Apalachee High School shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 4 are killed and 9 injured in a high school shooting in Georgia (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 4 left dead in the first american school shooting of the year
News source(s): "4 dead in georgia school shooting". 2024-09-04. Retrieved 2024-09-05.; "A 14-year-old student fatally shot 4 people in a rampage at a Georgia high school, officials say". AP News. 2024-09-05.
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RD: Luis Ayala

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Article: Luis Ayala (tennis) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Good article but needs more references in amateur career section. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose outstanding number of cn tags and a performance timeline would look nice. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bora Đorđević

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Article: Bora Đorđević (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Good length article but needs a lot more references. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose majority of this article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 11:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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